Ridiculous. Let's see what happens when he misses a 4th. I suspect that his times will now be in the 9.9 high, huh...
Ridiculous. Let's see what happens when he misses a 4th. I suspect that his times will now be in the 9.9 high, huh...
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Sounds like there's a distinction between a "filing failure" and a "missed test." Both of those are grouped under the more generic term of "whereabouts failure."
What a disgrace.
One good thing about this debacle is that he's showing up on the testers radar even more now so expect Ruppster type testing for Mr Coleman from now to Tokyo.
wejo wrote:
1) Where is the rule written this way ?
2) Why is the rule written this way?
I can't see someone writing a rule, "oh by the way if you miss a drug test we'll back date it to the 1st day of the quarter?"
But if they did write it this way, why would they?
It makes no sense to have a rule this way.
However, having said that if we have a stupid rule on the books has it ever been enforced the way as written? So
If somone flunked a drug test
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but you really have to miss 3 drug tests in a 9-12 month window to be charged with missing 3 drug tests in a year depending on when you missed the test in the quater?
Coleman missed tests on June 6, 2018, and January 16 and April 26, 2019,
But according to the quarter system these dates count as April 1, 2018, January 1, 2018 and April 1, 2019?
Idiotic on first read, but someone show me the rule and then explain why it's written that way.
See the USADA press release that you published on your site?
I can see it being written that way because that first day of the quarter might be when someone files their whereabouts for that quarter. So it becomes a Filing Failure on that date because what the filed on the first of the quarter doesn't match up with where they actually were on the later date that the drug testers were looking for him. Blame the USADA for not knowing how the rules that they were trying to enforce were written. Coleman didn't write the rules, you can't blame him for that. He's not even getting off on a technicality, he's getting off because USADA didn't know the rules.
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2019/09/usada-clears-christian-coleman-to-compete-in-whereabouts-violation-case/This was the most absurd way to allow him to compete. He missed three tests in a year. Period. Had he been cleared because he was present at the same facility where the tester was, it would have been fine with me. Not this.
here's the rule wrote:
https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/isti_2019_en_new.pdfPage 87
Sounds like there's a distinction between a "filing failure" and a "missed test." Both of those are grouped under the more generic term of "whereabouts failure."
So was it a missed test or did he not file sufficiently for that quarter?
Barring bad weather look for the guy to run a sub 9.85 at the Worlds. He is the real deal and it should be obvious.
WR 60
beat Bolt as an NCAAer
sub 19.90 200m
sub 9.80
yep, a legit stud.
Actually occurrence is no obstacle wrote:
COOLMAN wrote:
the World Anti-Doping Agency's interpretation of the rule backdated his first failure to April 1, 2018, instead of the date it actually occurred, June 6, 2018
I am glad that Doping Agencies are sufficiently flexible with Calendars and back-dating to allow USA top athletes to compete. This is fighting for clean sport like never before.
All Kenyans dope. Kenya is the problem.
Oh.
Ban the usa. Organized doping supported by usada. Beef eaters, kissers and more blatant cases. Would be surprised If a single us. Athlete is clean
zzzz wrote:
wejo wrote:
1) Where is the rule written this way ?
2) Why is the rule written this way?
I can't see someone writing a rule, "oh by the way if you miss a drug test we'll back date it to the 1st day of the quarter?"
But if they did write it this way, why would they?
It makes no sense to have a rule this way.
However, having said that if we have a stupid rule on the books has it ever been enforced the way as written? So
If somone flunked a drug test
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but you really have to miss 3 drug tests in a 9-12 month window to be charged with missing 3 drug tests in a year depending on when you missed the test in the quater?
Coleman missed tests on June 6, 2018, and January 16 and April 26, 2019,
But according to the quarter system these dates count as April 1, 2018, January 1, 2018 and April 1, 2019?
Idiotic on first read, but someone show me the rule and then explain why it's written that way.
See the USADA press release that you published on your site?
I can see it being written that way because that first day of the quarter might be when someone files their whereabouts for that quarter. So it becomes a Filing Failure on that date because what the filed on the first of the quarter doesn't match up with where they actually were on the later date that the drug testers were looking for him. Blame the USADA for not knowing how the rules that they were trying to enforce were written. Coleman didn't write the rules, you can't blame him for that. He's not even getting off on a technicality, he's getting off because USADA didn't know the rules.
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2019/09/usada-clears-christian-coleman-to-compete-in-whereabouts-violation-case/
He did get off on a technicality.
He skipped three drugs tests in 12 months.
Coleman is doping. Trust me.
So he didn't actually miss a test on June 6, 2018. That is the date USADA realized he hadn't filed his whereabouts info for that April 1 - June 30, 2018 quarter? The other two dates he actually missed a test and therefore those two dates are not considered as having happened the first day of that quarter. Is that correct?
The power of prayer!
ex-runner wrote:
zzzz wrote:
See the USADA press release that you published on your site?
I can see it being written that way because that first day of the quarter might be when someone files their whereabouts for that quarter. So it becomes a Filing Failure on that date because what the filed on the first of the quarter doesn't match up with where they actually were on the later date that the drug testers were looking for him. Blame the USADA for not knowing how the rules that they were trying to enforce were written. Coleman didn't write the rules, you can't blame him for that. He's not even getting off on a technicality, he's getting off because USADA didn't know the rules.
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2019/09/usada-clears-christian-coleman-to-compete-in-whereabouts-violation-case/He did get off on a technicality.
He skipped three drugs tests in 12 months.
Coleman is doping. Trust me.
I believe you are wrong. It's only backdated if there is a filing failure for that quarter. If a test is actually missed then it counts on that day. June 6th just happened to be the day USADA realized he hadn't filled out his whereabouts info for that quarter. It wasn't a missed test.
It's interesting that it takes USADA over two months to realize someone hasn't filed their whereabouts info for that quarter. They should be using an automated system such that if they don't have an athletes whereabouts info for the "forthcoming quarter" by a certain date beforehand an email is kicked out to that athlete and CC'd to someone at USADA stating something like "Hey dumbas., you haven't turned your whereabouts info in yet and in less than 24 hours you're going to get a filing failure marked against you. Get your sh.t together!"
Further, he's not getting off on a technicality. He's getting off because he hasn't broken the rules. Is USADA not liable for some sort of defamation now against Coleman? They've given him horrible press that has now proven to be unwarranted, but will still affect his ability to make money in the future. I would be seeking compensation for damages if I was Coleman.
Libertarian Centrist wrote:
The power of prayer!
Coleman is an Overcomer!!!!
Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
He did get off on a technicality.
He skipped three drugs tests in 12 months.
Coleman is doping. Trust me.
I believe you are wrong. It's only backdated if there is a filing failure for that quarter. If a test is actually missed then it counts on that day. June 6th just happened to be the day USADA realized he hadn't filled out his whereabouts info for that quarter. It wasn't a missed test.
It's interesting that it takes USADA over two months to realize someone hasn't filed their whereabouts info for that quarter. They should be using an automated system such that if they don't have an athletes whereabouts info for the "forthcoming quarter" by a certain date beforehand an email is kicked out to that athlete and CC'd to someone at USADA stating something like "Hey dumbas., you haven't turned your whereabouts info in yet and in less than 24 hours you're going to get a filing failure marked against you. Get your sh.t together!"
Read the article. He missed three tests.
I could explain, but I'm not in the mood.
Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:
1) Where is the rule written this way ?
2) Why is the rule written this way?
I can't see someone writing a rule, "oh by the way if you miss a drug test we'll back date it to the 1st day of the quarter?"
But if they did write it this way, why would they?
It makes no sense to have a rule this way.
However, having said that if we have a stupid rule on the books has it ever been enforced the way as written? So
If somone flunked a drug test
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but you really have to miss 3 drug tests in a 9-12 month window to be charged with missing 3 drug tests in a year depending on when you missed the test in the quater?
Coleman missed tests on June 6, 2018, and January 16 and April 26, 2019,
But according to the quarter system these dates count as April 1, 2018, January 1, 2018 and April 1, 2019?
Idiotic on first read, but someone show me the rule and then explain why it's written that way.
I believe you are wrong. It's only backdated if there is a filing failure for that quarter. If a test is actually missed then it counts on that day. June 6th just happened to be the day USADA realized he hadn't filled out his whereabouts info for that quarter. It wasn't a missed test.
It's interesting that it takes USADA over two months to realize someone hasn't filed their whereabouts info for that quarter. "[/quote]
You are wrong. A test was actually missed and Coleman did file his whereabouts info prior to that missed test. Coleman just forgot to update his info after the first filing which is why it is a failure to update and not a missed test. USADA discovered his failure to update his whereabouts because they tried to test him on June 8 and couldn't because he wasn't where he originally said he would be. So he missed a test. But they're not calling it that because the only reason he missed was because he "forgot" to update USADA on where he would be that day and not because he was intentionally trying to dodge the testers. And if you believe all that, I know this amazing bridge I could get you a great deal on.
So Coleman had a good lawyer. What we have revealed is the happy marriage of enforcement incompetence with cheating, producing a "clean" athlete.
"he has been tested 20 times in 2018 and 2019".
That's a lot of negative tests.