Does selling drugs actually make you a bad person?

Semenyagoat wrote:

Ridiculous Statement. We were drinking the most from Like 15 to 18. With 21 we were already only drinking a glass of beer or wine from time to time.

Good for you. Unfortunately 9 out of 10 drug and alcohol addicts start using before they are 18. The percentage of addicts that start using after they turn 21 is practically zero. It's tied to how your brain develops. Societal changes do not equal biological changes.

only drug I need is the trails in the great outdoors.

joedirt wrote:

aoxomoxoa wrote:

Cannabis/psilocybin - no, you are not a bad person unless you are selling it to 1) children or 2) people with mental issues

If they didn't sell to those two groups, there would be nobody to sell to. The only people seeking out this crap is kids that don't know any better and nut cases. The statistics basically backup the fact that people that are sober until they are 21 pretty much don't use drugs later in life. Dealers target kids to get them addicted. Most addicts start before the age of 15. You're living in a fantasy land if you think dealers are good people.

Sorry to be Johnny Raincloud here, but there are plenty of well adjusted adults (such as myself), who use cannabis and do not have mental issues. I also did not start using cannabis until I was 35 years old and now use it once a week.

Your Bubble = Burst

joedirt wrote:

Semenyagoat wrote:

Ridiculous Statement. We were drinking the most from Like 15 to 18. With 21 we were already only drinking a glass of beer or wine from time to time.

Good for you. Unfortunately 9 out of 10 drug and alcohol addicts start using before they are 18. The percentage of addicts that start using after they turn 21 is practically zero. It's tied to how your brain develops. Societal changes do not equal biological changes.

Criminal activity drops to minuscule numbers after the age of 30, but so what..

Yes, makes you scum no matter how you want to rationalize it in your sick sociopath mind.

mcvred wrote:

Not the question I meant to ask, my b

You categorized drug dealers in a very pejorative way. In terms of alcohol, Do you draw the line at say state sponsored monopolies on liquor distribution? Private non-liquor establishments are ok? Many people with genetic predisposition to alcoholism who don't drink until they're 21 still have fallen off the wagon and there's certainly a case to by many to be made for restricted public access to alcohol

Let me escalate it for you, drug dealers are scum buckets no matter how much you want to rationalize it.

aoxomoxoa wrote:

Sorry to be Johnny Raincloud here, but there are plenty of well adjusted adults (such as myself), who use cannabis and do not have mental issues. I also did not start using cannabis until I was 35 years old and now use it once a week.

Your Bubble = Burst

Not bursting my bubble at all, but you are the exception and not the rule. Most addicts I know started with pot, shrooms or LSD between the ages of 12-16. Most had kids out of wedlock, three were dead from suicide before they reached 30 (including a close cousin / friend) and very few actually got a bachelors degree or amounted to much in life. Out of curiosity why did you start using at 35? Seems pretty random.

It made the Sacklers billionaires.

And they are un-prosecutable because of the world's oldest hatred or the Holocaust or because of blood libel or something.

An old friend of mine once worked as a saleman for a pharmaceutical company. He absolutely hated it. He would sit in his car in the car park of various hospitals for hours crying to himself before going in.

It's not a job for everyone.

The underground drug market is rife with crime and injection of adulterants into product, so IMO participation therein is despicable.

So the awnser is yes?? You make no sense

nipchoge wrote:

Assuming you're doing good business and not getting involved in gang activity, assault, racketeering or murder.

People only think about the client side, the users and local street scene. They don't consider the murderous supply chain behind it. If you want to pretend to yourself you're a good person while selling toxins, the manufacturer and distribution of which regularly see people tortured, decapitated, skinned alive, etc. then you just go ahead and do that. I would consider you worse than scum, but it sounds like you've already made your mind up.

Think you missed the point, friend.

Only pointing out that the line between coffee shop worker/liquor store employee and drug dealer is drawn at whether the market for said drug is legitimate or not. Drugs are drugs and many can be used in ways that are responsible/necessary/enjoyable. People will do this less if said drug are taboo.

I work at a coffee shop. People who come in day in and day out are every bit as addicted as folks are to crack, cocaine, etc., and caffeine is in isolation worse for your health than a myriad of drugs that are Schedule I. It is simply a matter of the social circumstances under which a drug is consumed (and the initial conditions of the individual using/selling them) that often determines how it manifests in a person's life.

Drug dealers tend to be "scum" because they come from circumstances that are difficult or impossible to exit, and have a pattern of learned behavior that allows them to be comfortable doing what they know. Obviously this isn't ideal, but is using epithets in their direction really what you think will deter them from their behavior?

I don't think so.

joedirt wrote:

Semenyagoat wrote:

Ridiculous Statement. We were drinking the most from Like 15 to 18. With 21 we were already only drinking a glass of beer or wine from time to time.

Good for you. Unfortunately 9 out of 10 drug and alcohol addicts start using before they are 18. The percentage of addicts that start using after they turn 21 is practically zero. It's tied to how your brain develops. Societal changes do not equal biological changes.

I mean... that’s a pretty silly stat because almost all underage individuals consume alcohol or drugs.

“By age 18, about 70 percent of teens have had at least 1 drink.”

I’d bet - by age 21 - that percentage is 85/95%. Probably even higher if you include smoking cigs/vapes/weed.

joedirt wrote:

Not bursting my bubble at all, but you are the exception and not the rule. Most addicts I know started with pot, shrooms or LSD between the ages of 12-16. Most had kids out of wedlock, three were dead from suicide before they reached 30 (including a close cousin / friend) and very few actually got a bachelors degree or amounted to much in life. Out of curiosity why did you start using at 35? Seems pretty random.

9% of marijuana users will develop dependence at some point in their lifetime. Researchers do not even measure dependence with psilocybin or LSD because it is pretty much impossible due to the nature of the substances. Rates for marijuana do rise with younger onset, but only to 17%, which is pretty comparable to alcohol. It is likely the relationship between early use and dependence is correlative, not causative.

Anyway, I support the idea that kids should not be using drugs while their brains are developing and people should not be selling them drugs. I would note that youth are preventing from buying drugs in legal regulated markets but not in illegal unregulated markets.

Does the word Felon and listing a prison sentence on your resume make you a bad person or only suitable for washing dishes?