The temp hit 94 after being only 50 just 3 days earlier at the Big Ten meet. It was over 100 on the track. The large school race had several 9:20 kids run 9:50.
The temp hit 94 after being only 50 just 3 days earlier at the Big Ten meet. It was over 100 on the track. The large school race had several 9:20 kids run 9:50.
MediocreMiler wrote:
The temperature was over 90 degrees at the time of the race and the meet actually got postphoned shortly after for extreme heat. I'm sure that didnt help his time especially with all the confusion going on. Regardless of how fast the kid ran he got robbed.
Postponed due to extreme thunderstorms, not due to heat.
Does his medal say state 2800 meter champ?
Actually this is a pretty good result. Several kids under 10 minutes in the smallest class. These guys are from towns (not high schools) with less than 1000 people. They might have 15-30 kids in their graduating class.
I can see the argument for awarding the 2800 "winner." Their thought process could have been, "I know we've only gone 6 laps, but the race is going to end in one, i better kick."
Therefore, they should've given each runner their highest place. This would result in two "winners," butthat's not more goofy than what they did, and probably fairer.
Always hate it when choas show up at the Iowa State Championship.
Some of you don’t understand how championship racing works. Have you ever watched an NCAA meet when the 1500 closes in 53 for a winning time of 4 minutes or a 5 k is won in 14 minutes Championship racing isn’t about time. In the Iowa 1600 races yesterday, one class closed in 58 and another closed in 60. One of them closed in 67. You never know which strategy will be used . The 3200 race that is being discussed was a sit and kick race in which 2 guys sat and then kicked the 7th lap due to the bell. One guy kept going when he saw the clock.
Lap counting confusion must be inherent in longer races like the 3200m, where lapped runners are the norm. For race officials, keeping track of the leaders, though, should be an attainable priority in reasonably-sized races, I should think (never having found myself in that position). What happened in Iowa is a travesty, though. Yes, the kid who finished early goofed up, but it's the adults who should bear the brunt of the criticism of goofing up the lap counting during the actual race.
Then a-dolts compounded their shame by stripping a victory from a legitimate 3200m first-place finisher. Really sad that a more equitable solution was not reached.
In that Iowa race, I don't know if any other kids failed to run the full 3200m, but the craziest race I've seen came at the Dogwood Track Classic in Virginia a couple of weekends ago. With the serious, impending threat of thunderstorms looming, a decision was made to combine heats of the unseeded boys' 3200, late in the meet -- understandable, given the weather concerns. A total of 86! boys ran in one 3200 on the 400m track (so different from cross country, of course, where fields are much bigger). Utter madness trying to keep track of laps in that one.
A video of that race can be seen here, for those who have paid for the right to view:
https://va.milesplit.com/videos/374472
As far as I know, this one ended without incident.
Something similar happened in the 2006 ACC Indoor Championships. During the women's DMR with all the teams going for an NCAA qualifying time, the officials accidently put the next runners on the track a lap early. One coach noticed what was happening and told his runner "Do not take the baton." Every other team took it and ultimately ran one lap less than the full race. The winner was obviously the only team that truly finished the race but the other teams needed to appeal to the NCAA to get adjusted times approved for qualifying.
Women Distance Medley (Scored one lap short)
1, Florida State 10:42.08. 2, Duke 10:42.91. 3, North Carolina 10:50.97. 4,
Virginia Tech 11:03.09. 5, Wake Forest 11:04.08. 6, Boston College 11:13.97.
7, Maryland 11:14.34. 8, Georgia Tech 11:14.78. 9, NC State 11:15.02. 10,
Virginia 11:22.00. 11, Clemson 11:52.70.
YMMV wrote:
The kid should show class and give his award to the true winner.
Yes- this is years ago now: The Entire FM Girls Cross Team was dq'd after sweeping a race because they did a run out inside of 2:00 before the start.
The "winner" as a result of the dq took her trophy and walked right over to the top FM runner and gave it to her.
Have you heard of Fresno? It’s 110 every year (this year might be first time in a decade it’s under 100). Still sub 9.
And why does CA not have divisions and Iowa does? Track is an individual event, not a team competition. Part of the problem is diluted talent and a kid thinking he’s state champ because they go to a small school.
I've not seen the bell rung early yet but at a summer track meet they once they missed a lap and tried to make my daughter run a 9th. You could see her telling them they wrong on the count on every lap. She stopped on the 8th, many others did not.
Championship racing wrote:
Some of you don’t understand how championship racing works. Have you ever watched an NCAA meet when the 1500 closes in 53 for a winning time of 4 minutes or a 5 k is won in 14 minutes Championship racing isn’t about time. In the Iowa 1600 races yesterday, one class closed in 58 and another closed in 60. One of them closed in 67. You never know which strategy will be used . The 3200 race that is being discussed was a sit and kick race in which 2 guys sat and then kicked the 7th lap due to the bell. One guy kept going when he saw the clock.
With that explanation, if it's actually what happened, the race results actually seem equitable. Both kids (1st & 2nd) kicked at the bell as if it was the last lap. The kid who finished early out kicked the 2nd place kid for what both runners thought was the win.
Only after seeing the time did the 2nd place runner continue.
However if the 2nd place guy let up early before the 2,800m line realizing the mistake, he's the legit winner.
Championship racing wrote:
Some of you don’t understand how championship racing works. Have you ever watched an NCAA meet when the 1500 closes in 53 for a winning time of 4 minutes or a 5 k is won in 14 minutes Championship racing isn’t about time. In the Iowa 1600 races yesterday, one class closed in 58 and another closed in 60. One of them closed in 67. You never know which strategy will be used . The 3200 race that is being discussed was a sit and kick race in which 2 guys sat and then kicked the 7th lap due to the bell. One guy kept going when he saw the clock.
I understand championship racing very well. But has there EVER been an NCAA 1500m that finished over 4:00.00?
Ever? In the last 50 years?
Star wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
Solution: Award one guy the 2800m state title and the other guy the 3200m state title
That is the best post you have ever made.
+1
(I actually have no idea whether it was his best, but it was very good.)
Unfortunatelly our sport is sometimes so boring to watch that even officials more or less falls asleep on the job.
No way jose wrote:
Have you heard of Fresno? It’s 110 every year (this year might be first time in a decade it’s under 100). Still sub 9.
And why does CA not have divisions and Iowa does? Track is an individual event, not a team competition. Part of the problem is diluted talent and a kid thinking he’s state champ because they go to a small school.
Right.
You're a genius!
So does the time go down as a record, maybe with an asterisk?
"*Idiot official aided"
pathfinder wrote:
No way jose wrote:
Have you heard of Fresno? It’s 110 every year (this year might be first time in a decade it’s under 100). Still sub 9.
And why does CA not have divisions and Iowa does? Track is an individual event, not a team competition. Part of the problem is diluted talent and a kid thinking he’s state champ because they go to a small school.
Right.
You're a genius!
Thank you for this. About time others get on board.
You are caught up in a technicality. Analogies are made for emphasis but you are caught up in the time proposed. The question was if you understand championship racing, then you would understand why people shouldn’t question the quality of this kid’s race when forming an opinion of who should be declared the winner. By the way, there may not be any over 4 minutes but 4:07 won the mike indoor this year and 3:55 won the 1500 just two years ago. Darn, those guys are so slow for D1 that they shouldn’t be declared the winner. Duh, they were racing not time trialing.
I did not know counting to EIGHT was such a challenge in Iowa high schools?