Emma Bates 52:17

GPS pretty good these days wrote:

Are there trees or buildings on the course? If it's wide open, I have a hard time believing the course wasn't short.

Mostly wide open, but there is a part around mile 2-4 where you go under some bridges. And also a few places where the course winds slightly - I've found that my Garmin tends to short change me in both those circumstances. There is also one 180 degree turn - some Garmins will short change on those.

On Hains Point (the last miles of the course) my Garmin is generally very accurate.

I would be surprised if it was short. I know of quite a few people who ran good races and PR'd, but none of the times run were surprising or eye-popping, or hinting at a short course. People ran what I would expect them to run on a very fast course in good weather.

This race also has its act together, and were prepped for a possible American record. I find it very hard to believe that the course wasn't accurate. And I'm sure that if it wasn't for some reason, they'll announce it.

impossible to run the tangents that well wrote:

kjl wrote:

Just got my wife's Strava and Garmin files.. she went 10.02 miles. Definitely legit course. She ran in the yellow wave (sub-elite).

10.02? It's counter-intuitive, but that could be short. You know how Boston shows up as 26.4 for most runners.

For Example:

6) Futsum Zienasellassie (Flagstaff) 46:57

9) Kiya Dandena (Flagstaff) 47:26

20) Scott Smith (Flagstaff) 48:30

Female Human Division:

14) Ms. Grayson Murphy 54:35

28) Ms. Perry Shoemaker (age 47) 57:29

37) Ms. Deena Kastor (age 46) 59:15

. . . Interesting . . .

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Stanley Kebenei improves 1984 Greg Myer's 10 mile american record

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Am thinking there's some merit to the course being short subject.

I'm surprised the brojos aren't all over this - seems pretty sketchy and that there are legitimate things at stake here, right?

NERunner053 wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

If my math is correct, Radcliffe's WR marathon pace comes to 51:41. With that same pace, she would placed 4th in the girls 3200 at Arcadia.

Yea, erm, that's not really what I was getting at. How do they decide a 10 mile AR? Does it have to be from a 10 mile race? I would imagine Runners that have gone at a faster pace over 13.1 (a similar distance), like Huddle & Sisson, clocked faster 10 mile splits. Why don't they hold the AR then? Maybe those races don't have 10 mile splits but it's a little strange to me to call 52:12 the AR when runners like that have been almost a minute faster.

Yes, you can set a record at an enroute split point as long as the split point was measured properly and there is an official time taken at that point. There were probably not 10 mile splits taken for Huddle & Sisson.

Stanley Allen Taylor wrote:

NERunner053 wrote:

Yea, erm, that's not really what I was getting at. How do they decide a 10 mile AR? Does it have to be from a 10 mile race? I would imagine Runners that have gone at a faster pace over 13.1 (a similar distance), like Huddle & Sisson, clocked faster 10 mile splits. Why don't they hold the AR then? Maybe those races don't have 10 mile splits but it's a little strange to me to call 52:12 the AR when runners like that have been almost a minute faster.

Yes, you can set a record at an enroute split point as long as the split point was measured properly and there is an official time taken at that point. There were probably not 10 mile splits taken for Huddle & Sisson.

Of course there were 10 mile splits taken. And is the Cherry Blossom 'course was a bit short' thang put to rest?

kmaclam wrote:

Stanley Allen Taylor wrote:

Yes, you can set a record at an enroute split point as long as the split point was measured properly and there is an official time taken at that point. There were probably not 10 mile splits taken for Huddle & Sisson.

Of course there were 10 mile splits taken. And is the Cherry Blossom 'course was a bit short' thang put to rest?

Hall was faster at Houston in 2007, with a 45:33 clocking.

kmaclam wrote:

Stanley Allen Taylor wrote:

Yes, you can set a record at an enroute split point as long as the split point was measured properly and there is an official time taken at that point. There were probably not 10 mile splits taken for Huddle & Sisson.

Of course there were 10 mile splits taken. And is the Cherry Blossom 'course was a bit short' thang put to rest?

No - any intelligent person who closely looks at the evidence will be at minimum very suspicious.

Just got my wife's Strava and Garmin files.. she went 10.02 miles. Definitely legit course. She ran in the yellow wave (sub-elite).[/quote]

10.02? It's counter-intuitive, but that could be short. You know how Boston shows up as 26.4 for most runners.[/quote]

Female Human Division:

14) Ms. Grayson Murphy 54:35

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsEqcWLhkMp/

28) Ms. Perry Shoemaker (age 47) 57:29

37) Ms. Deena Kastor (age 46) 59:15

. . . Interesting . . .[/quote]

Perry Shoemaker is local (DC Metro area) stud, tough as nails, and beating Kastor has to be a big feather in her cap. Shoemaker is thin and strong and has amazing speed. She's been crushing it for years.

Perry Shoemaker's 57:29 would have won the men's 45-49 division by over a minute.

Kelsey Bruce sighting (55:39)

Also Emma's review the race:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwDKcGLhGxu/

DC Wonk wrote:

Perry Shoemaker is local (DC Metro area) stud, tough as nails, and beating Kastor has to be a big feather in her cap. Shoemaker is thin and strong and has amazing speed. She's been crushing it for years.

Lol. Perry is awesome, but she didn't "beat" Deena. Deena was doing a workout and started with the masses.

kmaclam wrote:

Am thinking there's some merit to the course being short subject.

When so many gps devices were coming up almost dead on @ 10.00 miles, you know something was up.