How fast will Usain Bolt run the 800m ?

well,, wrote:

wow!! wrote:

Dumbest post of the year

You clearly don´t know what "irony" is.

Neither do you.

You realize that based on Daniel's tables Bolt could probably easily run a sub-2 marathon, right?

One of the Ads I see on Lets Run is for the movie Dumbo. That pretty much sums up my feelings about this thread.

Inside info? wrote:

Pretty fast dude wrote:

About 1:40.

All of the idiots here will be by to tell you that it’s insane to think that he would have been capable of better than 1:44. Or that he couldn’t break a 5 minute mile. So so stupid.

What do you think his 400m would have been if he had tried? 42?

Do you have any evidence? What makes you believe a (205-210)lbs. man was capable of sub-1:48 800m? Tell us you heard or know Bolt could run 10 miles in under 60 minutes. Give us a reason to see things your way.

bolt was probably quite south of 200 pounds in his wr performances.

his 400m went south with moving to 100m when he bulked up.

bolt lost the unbeatable shape when the bulked up.

and then they got some testing done in the carrib.

as a kid, bolt ran 45x for 400m, and if he did some aerobic moving forward sure he could have run a great 800m

but the bolt that ran 100 to 200m, he would have died completely at 500m 800 was impossible for this version of bolt.

longjack wrote:

Inside info? wrote:

Do you have any evidence? What makes you believe a (205-210)lbs. man was capable of sub-1:48 800m? Tell us you heard or know Bolt could run 10 miles in under 60 minutes. Give us a reason to see things your way.

bolt was probably quite south of 200 pounds in his wr performances.

his 400m went south with moving to 100m when he bulked up.

bolt lost the unbeatable shape when the bulked up.

and then they got some testing done in the carrib.

as a kid, bolt ran 45x for 400m, and if he did some aerobic moving forward sure he could have run a great 800m

but the bolt that ran 100 to 200m, he would have died completely at 500m 800 was impossible for this version of bolt.

Bolt's 400m PR is faster than Rudisha's, no?

Do you really think that I am saying that an 800 meter runner runs the first minute at an 10% anaerobic effort? You really do not understand. I am talking about the later stages of the race. Sure someone can run the first part of an 800 at 10% anaerobic and run a 1:45 for the first 400 meters of the race. The percentages change as the race goes on. Do you understand that?

Anaerobic contributions are not estimated. They have been tested extensively. If anything the Anaerobic contributions were way over inflated in the 70's and have been corrected since.

You're right... nothing special about 60 seconds. At max effort anaerobic contributions significantly drop off until the tipping point around 40 seconds when contributions are around 50 / 50 then continue to drop at a slower rate at around 50-60 seconds. 800 being a slightly submaximal effort makes it a little different but not much. Top sprinters have an issue in that early on backing off does not help them all that much seeing as their capacity to produce ATP aerobically is flawed from the get go.

Your "back to the subject" comment conflicts with your viewpoint. If you are correct in your opinions there is no reason why Bolt could not be a world class 800 meter runner.

Did you skip class the day they taught English?

aerobic starts at 60m

aerobic helps sprinters make it to 100m. ask bolt.

200m is 85 percent anaerobic, you need a bit of aerobic.

after about 280 m is your sprinting 90 percent you are running on fumes. as a sprinter.

the last 100m is all fumes, anyone that can run a decent last 100m is a 400m man.

so you take a sprinter, who's out of fumes at 300 m and they hand on till 400m.

compare that with coming through in 49 seconds half way in the 8,

there is no way what so ever a sprinter can make it, ever.

that is a sub 10 100m guy, a real sprinter.

that's why there are zero real sprinters in the 800.

you do have hybrids like coe, who ran 21.5 in the 200m or something like that

if they went all out to spring that might be 20 high in the 200.

but that is not 19x 200m.

that is what makes the 800 m the best of all events.

its a total hybrid.

on the other hand, ever run an 800m without speed work, just long slow distance.

that is an embarrassing thing to do.

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longjack wrote:

bolt was probably quite south of 200 pounds in his wr performances.

his 400m went south with moving to 100m when he bulked up.

bolt lost the unbeatable shape when the bulked up.

and then they got some testing done in the carrib.

as a kid, bolt ran 45x for 400m, and if he did some aerobic moving forward sure he could have run a great 800m

but the bolt that ran 100 to 200m, he would have died completely at 500m 800 was impossible for this version of bolt.

Bolt's 400m PR is faster than Rudisha's, no?

bolt's 400m and runisha 400m are about the same, though you could not get much differently.

rush is a slow long sprinter and in this case bolt is a fast long sprinter.

bolt if he kept the weight off, was a 42 guy, for the 400m. i think, and his coach thinks.

but when you start going 9.5 in the 100m, your're way way too high octane for the 400m.

longjack wrote:

that's why there are zero real sprinters in the 800.

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There are no sprinters in the 800 because no one gives a crap about the 800 and there is no reason sprint talent would train for mid d if they were fast enough to hang with the world’s best in the 100 and 200.

Bolt is a household name. Rich, famous, legendary. 99.99% of the world has no idea who David Rudisha is. It’s simple economics.

Don't know how fast he can run an 800m, but he can definitely shatter the 2 hour mark in the marathon.

I mean we've seen how fast he is - those world class marathoners look like they're jogging compared to him, right?

Inside info? wrote:

Pretty fast dude wrote:

About 1:40.

All of the idiots here will be by to tell you that it’s insane to think that he would have been capable of better than 1:44. Or that he couldn’t break a 5 minute mile. So so stupid.

What do you think his 400m would have been if he had tried? 42?

Do you have any evidence? What makes you believe a (205-210)lbs. man was capable of sub-1:48 800m? Tell us you heard or know Bolt could run 10 miles in under 60 minutes. Give us a reason to see things your way.

At my Hs we did have a basketball/baseball player/Varsity xc runner 5k pr 18:05. He was 210lbs and ran 2:00 in the 800.

I still do not think Bolt can go under 1:49. If he could run sub 1:48 he wouldve at least ran more 400s

Fame and Fortune 101 wrote:

longjack wrote:

that's why there are zero real sprinters in the 800.

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There are no sprinters in the 800 because no one gives a crap about the 800 and there is no reason sprint talent would train for mid d if they were fast enough to hang with the world’s best in the 100 and 200.

Bolt is a household name. Rich, famous, legendary. 99.99% of the world has no idea who David Rudisha is. It’s simple economics.

Your economics need revising. 99% of the world doesn't know who anyone in track is after Bolt. And that includes other sprinters. Middle distance stars have often been bigger names than sprinters. Who at Coe's peak in 1981 can recall who the best sprinter was at that time? Or in Bannister's, Elliot's or Walker's eras? Stars have an 'x' factor: that is the only connection between athletics and economics.

westsouthrunner wrote:

Inside info? wrote:

Do you have any evidence? What makes you believe a (205-210)lbs. man was capable of sub-1:48 800m? Tell us you heard or know Bolt could run 10 miles in under 60 minutes. Give us a reason to see things your way.

At my Hs we did have a basketball/baseball player/Varsity xc runner 5k pr 18:05. He was 210lbs and ran 2:00 in the 800.

I still do not think Bolt can go under 1:49. If he could run sub 1:48 he wouldve at least ran more 400s

As pointed out here earlier - and ignored - Bolt himself has said his fastest time was 2.07. There's no way he is ever competitive over the distance.

Hardloper wrote:

He ran a 2:07 in 2012

This.

That’s not to say that he couldn’t have run faster, if he had trained for it. But people who say he’d run 1:40’s are idiots and/or trolls.

Peopleareidiots wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

He ran a 2:07 in 2012

This.

That’s not to say that he couldn’t have run faster, if he had trained for it. But people who say he’d run 1:40’s are idiots and/or trolls.

Or is the idiot the guy that thinks a 45s 400m runner can’t do better than 2:07? The 2:07 means nothing.

Byron Dyce is still second on the JAM alltime list with his 1:45.3 from 1969 one tenth behind Seymour Newmans '77 race.

1:45.9 by George Kerr '64 is still 6th on that list 54 years later

Which idiot wrote:

Peopleareidiots wrote:

This.

That’s not to say that he couldn’t have run faster, if he had trained for it. But people who say he’d run 1:40’s are idiots and/or trolls.

Or is the idiot the guy that thinks a 45s 400m runner can’t do better than 2:07? The 2:07 means nothing.

Bolt was not a 400m runner. Juantorena was a 400m runner.