And Jakobs young age doesn’t matter so much because his body is already developed and he started training from young age. So his body is more like a runner in his 20s
And Jakobs young age doesn’t matter so much because his body is already developed and he started training from young age. So his body is more like a runner in his 20s
gjjffhj wrote:
110-120 is a ton for an 18 year old. that’s very impressive stuff. Higher that ritz and solinsky types at that age
Well his older brothers have shown burnout.
Henrik for example has just turned 28. His best 1500m came 5 years ago. He’s not been competitive on the world stage (i.e. make major finals) since 2013
exrunner wrote:
gjjffhj wrote:
110-120 is a ton for an 18 year old. that’s very impressive stuff. Higher that ritz and solinsky types at that age
Well his older brothers have shown burnout.
Henrik for example has just turned 28. His best 1500m came 5 years ago. He’s not been competitive on the world stage (i.e. make major finals) since 2013
You have to go for it whenever your body is at its potential peak. Teen prodigies likely can't delay training hard at a young age and hope to save themselves for later. Nor could someone like Lopes speed things up by training like Jakob from age 10.
exrunner wrote:
gjjffhj wrote:
110-120 is a ton for an 18 year old. that’s very impressive stuff. Higher that ritz and solinsky types at that age
Well his older brothers have shown burnout.
Henrik for example has just turned 28. His best 1500m came 5 years ago. He’s not been competitive on the world stage (i.e. make major finals) since 2013
How so? Last year Henrik got 3rd in the European Champs (13'19") and Filip ran 3'30.01"......
Lets talk of burnouts "ex-runner"....
FinnJ wrote:
They rarely run more than 1hour at a time. Training times a day, often two workouts on the same day and easy runs often at higher intensity than most professionals. I know for a fact that they are often not running more than 150 km a week. Maybe they have changed something, but that is how it has been.
I believe they are actn3 deficient and therefor doesn’t need long runs to transform their fast twitch to more slow. But at the same time that deficiency also makes it impossible for their fast twitch to function as really fast. That fence variant also makes it possible to gain muscle without loosing capillary density
People who are actn3 deficient still have fast twitch muscles, they just don't express that particular protein in the muscle.
MoreCrickets wrote:
Making up stuff? wrote:
Source for that?
He cant... he just made it up
7 out of every 9 statistics on this site are made up.
etrwet wrote:
FinnJ wrote:
I believe they are actn3 deficient and therefor doesn’t need long runs to transform their fast twitch to more slow. But at the same time that deficiency also makes it impossible for their fast twitch to function as really fast. That fence variant also makes it possible to gain muscle without loosing capillary density
People who are actn3 deficient still have fast twitch muscles, they just don't express that particular protein in the muscle.
actn3
Tell me more about this? I have this gene...what is it?
Their "lack of speed" is a feature of their training, actually. They do lactate threshold training in large quantities, numerous workouts per week, where that is for them somewhere between 10k and 1 hr pace, and once a year before Monaco or championships they do a 10x300 at mile pace, and Gjert screams at them if they go faster--like when Henrik ran a 39 or 40 early in the workout. They do not do much speedwork at all, in other words. If they did more speedwork throughout their training, they'd probably be able to run 1:43-44. They barely ever even race 800m. Then again maybe they'd get injured more often and might not be as good at the 5000m. I'm not going to question Gjert's training. He's gotten three runners in the same family to Europeans championships and two of them have world medals, with much more to come. Filip and Jakob have also shown world class finishing speed in 1500s and longer, plus some major scalps, including Tefera probably a bit rundown after a wr, but also fresh in another race last year and even a soon to be 12:43 guy in Barega getting beaten by Jakob last year. Nevertheless, they would do well to add the occasional speedwork of 800-1500m pace or higher. One of the reasons Ethiopians excelled in championships other than access to Healing Hans was that they spike up for max sprints and also do repeated surges in the mountain forest where they train at 10,000 ft.
True facts of truth wrote:
MoreCrickets wrote:
He cant... he just made it up
7 out of every 9 statistics on this site are made up.
Including this one.
Henrik's been unable to do the higher speedwork for years because of injuries but he was getting back in that direction last year and he performed well in both events. If he's 100% this year, he could still get that 1500m pr. Filip ran 3:30.01 last year and got knocked down in a heat, got up and still won the heat, and then after resting from the broken or bruised rib, trained well enough to dominate European xc.
Yo yo yo wrote:
etrwet wrote:
People who are actn3 deficient still have fast twitch muscles, they just don't express that particular protein in the muscle.
actn3
Tell me more about this? I have this gene...what is it?
Everyone has the actn3 gene. Most people >80% have either one or two functional copies of a snp on the gene. If you don't have a functional copy you don't produce actinin 3 in your fast twitch muscles fibers. It doesn't make any real difference though, even sprinting performance seems to be largely unaffected by it, apart from at elite level.
Obviously the Ingebrigtsen have good top-end speed or they wouldn't run as fast they do in the 1500. It sounds as if they are strength runners like Steve Scott rather than someone who is very fast over 400 like Coe was.
exrunner wrote:
gjjffhj wrote:
110-120 is a ton for an 18 year old. that’s very impressive stuff. Higher that ritz and solinsky types at that age
Well his older brothers have shown burnout.
Henrik for example has just turned 28. His best 1500m came 5 years ago. He’s not been competitive on the world stage (i.e. make major finals) since 2013
Henrik also had some serious injuries culminating in hamstring surgery in 2016 or 2017 which might be why he hasn't reached finals in a while. Filip has steadily improved every year IMO.
exrunner wrote:
gjjffhj wrote:
110-120 is a ton for an 18 year old. that’s very impressive stuff. Higher that ritz and solinsky types at that age
Well his older brothers have shown burnout.
Henrik for example has just turned 28. His best 1500m came 5 years ago. He’s not been competitive on the world stage (i.e. make major finals) since 2013
Filip set a pb less than12 months ago and followed that with the European Cross Country title before indoors. Henrik has been plagued with injuries since 2014.
Including this one? wrote:
True facts of truth wrote:
7 out of every 9 statistics on this site are made up.
Including this one.
In 2017 Jakob was running 80-85 miles per week. A lot of 10k in the morning, 10k in the evening doubles on easy days and 20k long runs.
At 13:11 he is on the endurance end of the spectrum but as always that's genetics, not training. Don't let anyone ever tell you that someone who can run 3:52 doesn't have natural speed. There is no one who can run that fast who isn't well under 50 seconds for 400m.
So only 3 of the 7 kids are runners? They could put together their own XC team
casual obsever wrote:
Making up stuff? wrote:
Source for that?
Tübingen/Harvard study. Prof. Pielke Jr. summarized that article in a 2018 paper in Sports Med as follows (DOI 10.1007/s40279-017-0792-1):
Ulrich et al. conducted two random-response surveys in 2011 of 2167 athletes participating in (a) the International Association of Athletics Championships in Daegu, South Korea and (b) the 12th Quadrennial Pan-Arab Games, held in Doha, Qatar. The results of this survey are, in a word, stunning.
They find 43.6% (with a 95% confidence interval of 39.4–47.9%) of surveyed athletes at the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) 2011 World Championships admitted to taking banned performance enhancing substances and 57.1% (95% CI of 52.4–61.8%) of surveyed athletes at the 12th Quadrennial Pan-Arab Games. In a round number that summarizes the findings of the two surveys, Ulrich et al. provide evidence that about 50% of elite athletes doped at two major athletics events of 2011.1 One in two athletes is a big number, and suggests that doping is truly endemic in elite sport.
Source for "very few are caught": see AIU's web page, currently they catch 1 - 2 athletes per month, while literally thousands dope.
With those numbers, and these effects of blood doping (from the Karamasheva CAS hearing), it is virtually unimaginable that any winner can be clean.
"Moreover, EPO is typically taken as a course of many weeks, not as a single injection. Professer Schumacher explained that it can increase oxygen supply by 6% and take as much as one minute off the time taken to run 10,000 metres, and proportionately more over lesser distances."
Also, Henrik I. made a showing with 3 suspicious test results on the IAAF likely doping list, which is also a lot shorter than the list of actual dopers.
Why are very few caught? Listen to Pound, he knows.
Dick Pound, ex WADA President:
"you can miss two tests simply by not answering the door if you're on something."
"There is no general appetite to undertake the effort and expense of a successful effort to deliver doping-free sport."
"There's this psychological aspect about it: nobody wants to catch anybody. There's no incentive. Countries are embarrassed if their nationals are caught. And sports are embarrassed if someone from their sport is caught."
What most Letsrun followers of the sport choose not to know.
That study looks sketchy and the interpretation is excrement.