Why do Jerry Schumacher and Mark Wetmore get a pass while NOP are hated?

He could run 27:05 wrote:

Solinsky was coached by Schumacher and by that time, they hated each other.

You forgot that Solinsky was also taking 10,000IU of Vitamin D every week op.

And? Some recs for DAILY vit D intake range from 600iu to 2000iu.

Dopey Badgers wrote:

Teg definitely experienced noticeable physical gains from about May 2005 to December 2005. There was a flotrack video that confronted him on this and ot was overwhelmingly obvious if you knew him at the time. No doubt in my mind he did something with science in that time frame which induced this phenomena.

Solinsky's achilles heel was his hamstring which basically had its muscle ripped from the bone. One could posit this perhaps had something to do with PED use. Personally, I think Solinsky would only do things he knew other people were doing and would not be a Guinea pig himself. He would have done the same things Galen was doing just to beat Galen at his own game. May have not been actual PEDs after all but rather a series of grey area practices. Be aware of the reason his competitive career ended though.

100% bull$hit. Where do you fools come up with this stuff?!?!

Ryan Hall while being coached by Mahon was also on thyroid meds and Desiree Linden who also was on thyroid meds while under Hansons.

If you are a doubter just ask the athletes.

Because Nike still signs his pay checks. And look up the TUE list for Shelby...nothing.

I dont think this is from 2008 as the video describes. I think it is from 2007 but the interviewer did prompt Teg about his new increase in strength. It was pretty obvious after his multi month trip to Arizona that he did something.https://www.flotrack.org/video/5090773-teg-after-winning-the-3k

In August 2011, his body revolted. It was a hamstring that went, with two of the three tendons tearing completely off the pelvic bone and the third hanging by a thread; they were reattached with four titanium screws. So much for making the 2012 Olympic team.

Pope T-Bag II wrote:

Because Nike still signs his pay checks. And look up the TUE list for Shelby...nothing.

Have you seen a list no one has access to? No so stfu

Your post makes no sense and furthermore you have clearly posted under several handles to try to slander Jerry’s athletes with nothing to back them up.

[quote]Fmteg wrote:

I dont think this is from 2008 as the video describes. I think it is from 2007 but the interviewer did prompt Teg about his new increase in strength. It was pretty obvious after his multi month trip to Arizona that he did something.

Because some Flotrack guy says he looks "ripped" after a huge base period with bi-weekly weights and drills? You're going to insinuate that he's on some type of drug regimen? I haven't seen a post this dumb in a looooong time, and that's quite an accomplishment here at letsrun.com.

Really, really idiotic wrote:

Because some Flotrack guy says he looks "ripped" after a huge base period with bi-weekly weights and drills? You're going to insinuate that he's on some type of drug regimen? I haven't seen a post this dumb in a looooong time, and that's quite an accomplishment here at letsrun.com.

You sound bitter about the reality that the Badgers also cheated. Next youre going to tell me Tim Hacker and Steve Lacy didnt cheat while with Athletics West when everyone around them was cheating. Floyd Heard was also among many in the USA that cheated in the 80s. Suzy probably cheated too.

Really, really idiotic wrote:

Because some Flotrack guy says he looks "ripped" after a huge base period with bi-weekly weights and drills? You're going to insinuate that he's on some type of drug regimen? I haven't seen a post this dumb in a looooong time, and that's quite an accomplishment here at letsrun.com.

It’s the most pathetic grasping at straws, agreed.

All nikers are dopers wrote:

Pope T-Bag II wrote:

Because Nike still signs his pay checks. And look up the TUE list for Shelby...nothing.

Have you seen a list no one has access to? No so stfu

In a word. Yes.

Pope T-Bag II wrote:

All nikers are dopers wrote:

Have you seen a list no one has access to? No so stfu

In a word. Yes.

0/10

Because NOP is an easy target for letsrun trolls.

So when an oregon alum runs under 13:05 it must be due to doping but if two Wisconsin guys run under 13 it is American core values at work and time to wave the flag?

Think I got it wrote:

So when an oregon alum runs under 13:05 it must be due to doping but if two Wisconsin guys run under 13 it is American core values at work and time to wave the flag?

Nice straw man!

Pope T-Bag II wrote:

All nikers are dopers wrote:

Have you seen a list no one has access to? No so stfu

In a word. Yes.

Bull$hit.

sleazazar wrote:

It’s about a lot more than Dr. Brown.

1) Did any of them test topical steroids on their son to see what levels trigger a positive test?

2) Have any of them coached a convicted doper (Slaney)?

3) Have trainers found IV needles in any of their rooms?

4) Have any of them exceeded WADA IV dosage limits?

5) Have any of them had athletes come forward that their coach asked them to take someone else’s medicine that they didn’t have a script for?

OP,

I like the idea behind your post but think this is largely the answer ^^^^.

But you are right, it was amazing to learn that Dr. Brown became known to Salazar becuase Kara had heard about him from Wetmore.

I think the difference is Wetmore and Schumacher want their athletes to be treated by a doctor if they have a defiency or are struggling. Alberto wants them treated by a doctor when they are fine.

It's also my understanding that Schumacher was uncomfortable by the whole Dr. Brown thing once they started going down there (at Al Sal's suggestion) and then stopped sending the guys down there. Salazar was the opposite, he realized how good it was and doubled down on L-Carnitine. But yes, I'd love to talk to Schumacher and Wetmore about Dr. Brown - I'll tell Jonathan Gault to ask them the next time.

Did the BTC stop going to Brown before or after Solinskys' AR?

But the # of elite runners on thyroid meds at some poitn in their careers is staggering.

Bob Kennedy also was on them.

why don't you ask Dr. Brown if he has ever received a notice of rules violations from USADA?https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/sports/nike-oregon-project-doping-allegations.html

rojo wrote:

It's also my understanding that Schumacher was uncomfortable by the whole Dr. Brown thing once they started going down there (at Al Sal's suggestion) and then stopped sending the guys down there. Salazar was the opposite, he realized how good it was and doubled down on L-Carnitine. But yes, I'd love to talk to Schumacher and Wetmore about Dr. Brown - I'll tell Jonathan Gault to ask them the next time.

Did the BTC stop going to Brown before or after Solinskys' AR?

But the # of elite runners on thyroid meds at some poitn in their careers is staggering.

Bob Kennedy also was on them.

Pretty sure TUE lists aren't public. If they are, please tell me where I can look them up...

Pope T-Bag II wrote:

Because Nike still signs his pay checks. And look up the TUE list for Shelby...nothing.