But all their athletes are doping, remember?
But all their athletes are doping, remember?
ex-runner wrote:
Coevett wrote:
A lot of non-Kenyan talent rising at 800m now.
For every Kenyan 800m runner that gets busted, a talent emerges from the USA or GB to take his place.
On that note, George Mills the European u18 champion, who has been out more or less for two years since winning that title, won again today. Looks like he could be in the mix this summer for GB selection. And who knows what Max Burgin will do this year? And I'm still picking Kyle Langford for Doha and Tokyo gold.
You are SO boring.
There are so many countries aside from the USA and UK.
Just a sidenote Great Britain has a young runner in Max Burgin who is expected to be their best ever at 800, 1500, and 5000 better than Coe, Cram, Farah, Ovett, Elliott, Moorecroft, Brendan Foster etc.
douglas burke wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
You are SO boring.
There are so many countries aside from the USA and UK.
Just a sidenote Great Britain has a young runner in Max Burgin who is expected to be their best ever at 800, 1500, and 5000 better than Coe, Cram, Farah, Ovett, Elliott, Moorecroft, Brendan Foster etc.
Rarely does it occur when a high school boy or girl wins state at both 800m and also wins state, fall XC.
No one is going race 1:41.xx 800m (or faster) and race 12:53.xx 5000m (or faster). 1:47.xx 800m and 3:47.xx 1500m for M.B. are very good performances for a 16 year old, but to state what you stated, no.
Well, I don't know what Max Burgin has to do with this discussion and I have no idea whether he'll ever run 1:42-43/3:28 to contend for senior championships, but he doesn't turn 17 until May, and he ran 1:47/3:47 last year.
800 Metres 1:47.36 Győr (HUN) 08 JUL 2018
1500 Metres 3:47.70 Stretford (GBR) 24 JUL 2018
altitude conversion lover wrote:
LetsRun.com wrote:
Since the meet was at 3217 feet of altitude, the NCAA will actually convert the time down to a 1:44.97 for NCAA entry purposes.
So should we count it as the American record with an asterisk since Gray's record is 1:45.00?
Except that Brazier’s 1:45.10 was at altitude in Albuquerque and would convert to faster than both, dummy.
That's really bad science. Yikes.
Mexico city about 7,349 feet
I raced in the 400m internationally at Altitude and at Sea Level. 100's at Mexico City can be a lot quicker at that altitude, since there is basically no oxygen exchange and only a couple of breaths in that distance.
I raced at Bozeman, Montana and almost died since I only lived at 2600 feet. and was passing through on my way to Tahoe.
I raced at Lake Tahoe and almost died since it is 6500 feet. Once acclimated to Tahoe, I didn't even feel like I was near death because my parents lived in Lake Tahoe and I had been there for almost a month.
Train at sea level, race at sea level, then try to run faster in the 400m at Mexico City and it won't happen. Oh and by the way, I raced against both Lee Evans and Tommy Smith in a 400m and was 3rd. Was I close....well I was on the same straightaway at the finish and I thanked them for my personal best.
George
Devin never won state in high school but wast in the top 10 twice and had a XC PR of 16:10.
LOL - Dixon's time was actually en route to a 1:46 880yd run. The strong close would at least make this back convert to a 1:44 800m, which is a superior performance!
zxcvzcvx wrote:
Well, I don't know what Max Burgin has to do with this discussion and I have no idea whether he'll ever run 1:42-43/3:28 to contend for senior championships, but he doesn't turn 17 until May, and he ran 1:47/3:47 last year.
800 Metres 1:47.36 Győr (HUN) 08 JUL 2018
1500 Metres 3:47.70 Stretford (GBR) 24 JUL 2018
Because this discussion is about a young 800m talent, and since the first page it's turned into a boring discussion on whether his time has any value being set at altitude. So why not discuss other talent as well?
I agree it's too early to say what Max Burgin will do, but it does look he is shaping into a crazy talent. Can't remember the time, but he also ran a very impressive 400m relay leg last year as well.
800m appears to be getting stacked in USA and GB.
The US collegiate 800 record being 1:45.27 is like the US collegiate 400 record being 45.1.
Lost among the altitude talk is the fact that A&M is producing a lot of good 800/milers despite parting ways with Francique . Does anyone know who took over the mid distance program and why they seem to be having a big impact on that team?
We're going to have to go to JK to settle this one. He's a genius. Rojo?
ex-runner wrote:
altitude conversion lover wrote:
So should we count it as the American record with an asterisk since Gray's record is 1:45.00?
Great run of course, but 3000ft isn't really altitude to be honest, especially when racing the 800m.
The NCAA converter is always so generous.
NAU and BYU athletes have such a huge advantage in qualifying for NCAA indoors. Why would they even race sea-level when they could just chase times at altitude?
Tarreade wrote:
Lost among the altitude talk is the fact that A&M is producing a lot of good 800/milers despite parting ways with Francique . Does anyone know who took over the mid distance program and why they seem to be having a big impact on that team?
Coach Mallard , he was also with the team last spring.
His splits in this race were pretty positive. Wondering if he can go even faster if he can do something more like 51-53? Maybe not, as a lot of guys like to hang on for dear life.
Anybody else raise their eyebrows at a coach who was a world top-20 200m runner through the 90s and early 2000s?
Is there an elevation at which this is no longer true? Surely the 400 wouldn't be faster at, say, 15000 ft and the 800 would be way slower.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
As Lee Evans proved, a 400 at altitude is actually faster than one at sea level. The 800 is close to being being neutral.
thanks
Eyebrows wrote:
Anybody else raise their eyebrows at a coach who was a world top-20 200m runner through the 90s and early 2000s?
Why? Don't you want a coach that was good on the world stage? I don't understand this comment. Please explain.