Quarterback who was 3-16 in two seasons to go to trial with NFL over collusion

Not so fast bro wrote:

I don't like him, but without the kneeling, he'd have a job. Despite his 3-16 record.

For example, the Packers traded a 2015 1st round pick cornerback for the Browns Deshon Kizer to be their backup. The Browns went 0-16 last year and Kizer threw twice as many picks as TDs....

So if Kizer is worth that, surely Kaep could be in a training camp. There are more examples if you want to look for them.

This case isn't about whether or not he is good enough to have a NFL QB job. He is. It also isn't about whether or not NFL teams are refusing to sign him because of the kneeling. They are, and they are allowed to do that. Some teams like the NY Giants have even publicly stated that the reason they are not signing Kaepernick is because of the kneeling.

This case is about collusion. The NFL mandating, or two or more teams privately making an agreement not to sign him. Kaepernick needs to prove that teams contacted each other and said, "Hey, lets make a deal, we won't sign Kaepernick if you also agree not to sign him".

I have little doubt that if he didn't engage in protest activity he would have a job as a backup quarterback.

I also have little doubt if he had the skills of Tom Brady he would playing and starting anywhere.

The NFL is an entertainment business. You can only alienate a chunk of your customers if you are good enough, and add enough value, to get away with it. One can whine and moan about rights and feelings but it is still an entertainment business, competing with lots of choices (and the NFL prices are high).

Given this, I can't understand why everyone is so wrapped up in this. Marginal players have less margin for error.

2:18 wrote:

They really need to stop playing the national anthem at football games. They didn't do it when the nfl started . When they started playing it they did not show it on TV. It was time for commercials. Last chance to get a beer before the game. Then it was on TV and most people still went to get a beer before the game. Then the nfl had military families pay to go out on the field during the national anthem. Yes someone had to pay for this. It's a more time than not a meaningless game between two teams of athletes that are loyal to the paycheck. They don't care for the city they got drafted to play for. Or the owner that used your tax dollars to build his stadium. The national anthem should only be played at places that have honor.

This ^ Exactly.

People should be upset that they play the national anthem at all at sporting events such as the NBA, MLB, NFL. It is terribly disrespectful toward our flag and anthem to have them served up as faux patriotism before games between two teams neither of which represent America.

Collusion will be very difficult to prove. The teams will defend saying he is bad for business, which whether we agree or not, is a rational position.

Uhhh wrote:

douglas burke wrote:

Kaepernick has also expressed Communist leanings, even though he knows it has not worked anywhere, a friend told me he graduated Summa Laude with a PHD, his expertise is in History and Economics, He did his Thesis on Comparative Economic Systems throughout history

Communism and socialism are similar although not the same.

But it's interesting that America's most successful sports league - the NFL - is based on socialist principles of sharing and co-operation.

Its socialism when the government forces you to give up your money for the greater good.

It's capitalism when you enter a revenue sharing contract.

He was offered contracts by several teams. He declined because he wanted $11m or more person to be a backup. No team will pay that much for a backup. There is NO collusion. He was offered contracts and he declined.

Case closed.

I respect your family’s history, but hoping this racist cop-hating loser Colin prevails????

You’ve lost it man.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

He was offered contracts by several teams. He declined because he wanted $11m or more person to be a backup. No team will pay that much for a backup. There is NO collusion. He was offered contracts and he declined.

Case closed.

This.

Threatening to sue your potential employers is NOT how you get a job offer.

All the guy really accomplished was prove the reason why we see all the problems we do. Just gotta ignore what is acceptable behavior.

Who reading this has a job where it's the hell with what my co workers are doing, what is the norm, the hell with all that, it's all about me and my personal agenda?

If I was an NFL player and he pulled that standing next to me, it's...."dude, stand your ass up, don't embarrash my team like that ya idiot"

He and Eric Reid have nobody to blame for their decreased value than themselves. There is a reason why NFL quarterbacks make as much as $45 million a season, and a reason why a barista makes $15 an hour. It has to do with scarcity, but it also has to do with popularity. When you make your team less appealing, no team is going to want you as they make their living off of ticket sales and advertising / television. As far as the 3-16 thing, you won't see Rodgers, Brady, Roethlisberger, or Russell Wilson go 3-16 regardless of who is surrounding them. The guy wants to be a starter and wants starter money, but all the teams that have personnel geared towards his style of play already have their guy at QB. His last best chance was to take the Broncos offer when they were willing to build around him, but he refused and opted out of his niners contract thinking he could break the bank elsewhere.

SJWHippie wrote:

comedyrelief wrote:

He has a bachelors in business management from Nevada, which isn't exactly Harvard. He was also part of a sexual assault investigation in Miami in 2014.

What's this "moran" got to complain about?

His birth momma gave him up, so he was raised in a loving, suburban home by a white couple, got all the educational and athletic opportunities you could ask for, got a million $ contract from the NFL, but he somehow decided life in this country sux, so he arrogantly pissed it all away instead of doing positive things with his wealth and fame.

He didn't decide that life in this country sux, he noticed that life in this country sux for some. And then he used his wealth and fame to give voice to those that don't have one. Are you saying that if an injustice does not apply to you, that it isn't an injustice?

not really serious wrote:

2:18 wrote:

Good for him . Hope he wins his case. Too bad he's not good enough to play in the nfl anymore. Maybe he can play in canada.

He doesn't want to play, just wants to create controversy. He will be remembered more for the protesting than his playing. This is about his ego.

oh wow, you sound like a real expert on a guy you've never met.

Let's look at his 2016 season.

A QB rating of 90.7, placing him 17th out of 30 QBs.

Placing ahead of Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Carson Wentz, Cam Newton, and others (all of whom were starting QB in 2017, while Kaepernick didn't even get a roster spot).

The average QBR in the in the NFL 2016 season was 91.03.

And this rating does not take into account his running ability, which is surely above average for QBs.

He is being punished for his politics.

He has always been a capable NFL QB

sbeefyk2 wrote:

He was offered contracts by several teams. He declined because he wanted $11m or more person to be a backup. No team will pay that much for a backup. There is NO collusion. He was offered contracts and he declined.

Case closed.

Now that's a complete lie.

What teams offered him contracts and what were the details?

When and where did he turn these down and demand $11 million and to be a back-up?

He turned down a 15 million dollar option with SF, has passed on another offer or two. The opportunities were there. Now they are gone and so is he.

See ya, don't let the door hit you on the butt on the way out.

bark bark bark

So many things going on here.

#1 You cannot actually be arguing at this point that Kap and Reid should not be on an NFL roster whether as starters or back ups. This thing got drawn out through the legal system. We should have seen this go to trial a while ago.

#2 Kap used his status as an athlete to highlight police brutality. Freedom of speech is still a thing in this country (I think). There is nothing more patriotic than a peaceful protest. He wasn't protesting veterans. There are a whole bunch of vets who support him wholeheartedly. Also if you want to keep focusing on this instead of police brutality, you are a part of the problem. Just because you don't like him, don't like the way he's protesting, does not mean that unarmed black folks are 3-4 times more likely to be gunned down by law enforcement. Law enforcement have difficult jobs, but it is clear that biases run rampant. We need to train officers better. So many other countries do not have the same kind of violence from police to suspects & vice versa. It's a two way street.

#3 Kap & Reid could have taken bogus deals without a decent chunk of guaranteed money...say what you want but more players should be changing how the NFL tries to get out of paying players. Other sports do better with guaranteed money. The players are the product, but the owners are profiting disproportionately compared to other sports.

#4 Kap is still using his platform in a positive way by helping the youth. His Know Your Rights Org is doing great work to teach kids their rights, how to interact with police, help with college prep, and gives out school supplies. The darn communist!!! Seriously he is trying to be a part of the solution. If you are criticizing him, what is your non profit doing so that people do not die in this country when they do not need to?

cash out wrote:

He turned down a 15 million dollar option with SF, has passed on another offer or two. The opportunities were there. Now they are gone and so is he.

See ya, don't let the door hit you on the butt on the way out.

Two options that would fit his social and political agenda:

Venezuela and Cuba. No racism there, either.

Plenty of work opportunities, though they play their national anthems, a lot.