She made Americans look like whiners
She made Americans look like whiners
I didn't realize until now that women ran the steeplechase at different heights. I am out rage. I thought women were equal to men. Also the current year is 2018, why are women segregated in sports still? This is outrageous!
I'm not too smart wrote:
letsrun chauvinists wrote:
EVERYONE ON LETSRUN NEEDS TO READ THIS.
What are the obvious advantages men have over women?
More testosterone on average...
Luv2Run wrote:
I'm not too smart wrote:
What are the obvious advantages men have over women?
More testosterone on average...
Higher VO2 on average... In this particular case, taller on average.
Les wrote:
How is this gender equity when the average American woman is 6" shorter than the average American male? (Same difference as the difference in steeple barrier heights.)
If they're 6" shorter (~11%) then their center of gravity is more like 3" shorter. However their jumping ability is also weaker so I think the ~20% height difference makes it comparable.
If you want them both at the same height why not lower the men to the women’s? What makes you feel as though the women should have to move to the men’s? If you want them to be equal and you are saying that there’s no physiological reason for them to be at different heights, then lower the men’s to the women’s.
I’d love to hear your logic on this.
Just sayinggg wrote:
If you want them both at the same height why not lower the men to the women’s? What makes you feel as though the women should have to move to the men’s? If you want them to be equal and you are saying that there’s no physiological reason for them to be at different heights, then lower the men’s to the women’s.
I’d love to hear your logic on this.
Not sure how serious you are but in XC, just to remind folks, they did in fact REDUCE the mens distance from 12km to 10km whilst increasing the womens distance to 10km so they could be equal. Clearly they think women can't run around a flat bit of grass for 12km. Poor little things.
great wrote:
This is fascinating. Only Coburn noticed it and gestured to the officials but after 2 laps it's still at wrong height.
Translation: only the American was such a wuss they had to complain, the rest just got on with it.
The level of hype here about Coburn is off into the stratosphere. I suggest you write
'Only Coburn gestured to the officials'.
There is no data available, unless you interview the entire field to ask them, on whether anyone else NOTICED.
Les wrote:
How is this gender equity when the average American woman is 6" shorter than the average American male? (Same difference as the difference in steeple barrier heights.)
What about the women who are 6 inches taller than the norm? Is equality about catering to the norm?
Les wrote:
How is this gender equity when the average American woman is 6" shorter than the average American male? (Same difference as the difference in steeple barrier heights.)
So how does the measurement at the top of the head matter when clearing a barrier?
really. wrote:
Luv2Run wrote:
More testosterone on average...
Higher VO2 on average ... In this particular case, taller on average.
Joke arguments - why not have VO2 max, testosterone or height categories then rather than gender categories?
Women are lighter on average which is a big advantage in itself so where do you draw the line? Get of rid gender categories in track and field, they have no place or justification in the sport. Gender equality means that different genders are held to the same standards.
Hardloper wrote:
Les wrote:
How is this gender equity when the average American woman is 6" shorter than the average American male? (Same difference as the difference in steeple barrier heights.)
If they're 6" shorter (~11%) then their center of gravity is more like 3" shorter. However their jumping ability is also weaker so I think the ~20% height difference makes it comparable.
Center of gravity is irrelavant. You don't clear barriers at COG You have to clear the barriers from the bottom OG your butt, plus eight to ten inches.
FormerTree wrote:
If Coburn only cared about the win, and not her time, I bet it would have been to her advantage to leave it at 36" - given her height and technique.
+1
Opportunity missed by Emma. Would have tested those with poor hurdle technique.
Just sayinggg wrote:
If you want them both at the same height why not lower the men to the women’s? What makes you feel as though the women should have to move to the men’s? If you want them to be equal and you are saying that there’s no physiological reason for them to be at different heights, then lower the men’s to the women’s.
I’d love to hear your logic on this.
In the early years of the women's steeple the water jump was shorter (via a moveable barrier). Not sure why it was changed, but now it's the same length as the men's and some women hurdle it as do some men. I'm sure women are capable of hurdling 36" barriers.
Another giver of +1 wrote:
Just sayinggg wrote:
If you want them both at the same height why not lower the men to the women’s? What makes you feel as though the women should have to move to the men’s? If you want them to be equal and you are saying that there’s no physiological reason for them to be at different heights, then lower the men’s to the women’s.
I’d love to hear your logic on this.
In the early years of the women's steeple the water jump was shorter (via a moveable barrier)
Bullsh!t
It had been planned to make the water jump shorter for women but it proved impractical so it was never really done globally, I think.
In plain English wrote:
great wrote:
This is fascinating. Only Coburn noticed it and gestured to the officials but after 2 laps it's still at wrong height.
Translation: only the American was such a wuss they had to complain, the rest just got on with it.
The level of hype here about Coburn is off into the stratosphere. I suggest you write
'Only Coburn gestured to the officials'.
There is no data available, unless you interview the entire field to ask them, on whether anyone else NOTICED.
Indeed, Praught ran into the barrier and came to a dead stop, while Frerichs stuttered and barely made it over. The were at the back of the pack and wouldn't have time to adjust. They noticed!
Still waiting for an answer.
If you think that men and women should do the same height, why is it the men’s height? Why should the women move up to the men’s height instead of lowering the meb’s Height to the women’s?
Why is it that the women would have to change to fit the men’s height instead of the men changing to fit the women’s height?
If the goal is for there to be “equality”, why not make the men change?
And the women’s water jump used to be 10’. There were two different slots for the barrier and some water jumps had an insert. This was until about 2002.
rthetyj wrote:
Les wrote:
How is this gender equity when the average American woman is 6" shorter than the average American male? (Same difference as the difference in steeple barrier heights.)
Emma Coburn - 5 ft 8 in (173 cm)
Paul Kipsiele Koech (3rd fastest man ever) - 5 ft 6.5 in (170 cm)
The barriers should be the same height for men and women.
Body composition is a bigger factor than height. A higher body fat percentage and lower centre of gravity are the reason why hardly any women can high jump over 2m. Ease of comfortably hurdling and steeplechasing is probably similar.
Just sayinngggg wrote:
Still waiting for an answer.
If you think that men and women should do the same height, why is it the men’s height? Why should the women move up to the men’s height instead of lowering the meb’s Height to the women’s?
Why is it that the women would have to change to fit the men’s height instead of the men changing to fit the women’s height?
If the goal is for there to be “equality”, why not make the men change?
And the women’s water jump used to be 10’. There were two different slots for the barrier and some water jumps had an insert. This was until about 2002.
because the higher ones are much more interesting. If not we can also just scrap the event and everyone runs 3000m flat.