Yet another EMBARRASSING act by a Power 5 school. Arkansas tennis team plays same team 6 times in a day to become NCAA elig.

16-16 will get you into NCs for tennis? It must not be that hard to qualify then

rojo is just mad that it worked.In six matches over 14 hours, Arkansas won six times and became tournament eligible.

the Arkansas athletic department, as a policy, won’t pay in-state schools for hosting games, which explains why the Razorbacks had to travel to Tennessee to get these matches in. Langlois did confirm that the matches against TSU weren’t on the schedule at the beginning of the season, but thought college tennis was unique in its ability to allow these spontaneous, late-season marathon days to occur.

crumpet wrote:

HRE wrote:

Out of curiosity, would you feel any differently about this if instead of playing the same "cupcake" six times they had played six different cupcakes one time each?

That would have shown better organization.

Or even 6 different cupcakes on the same day.

Not the same cupcake 6 X though. That is weak, and not in the spirit of sport

Someone wrote that the cupcake got $15,000 for those matches. It may have been a lot easier to get one team to come there for that kind of money than to get six. But I'm with Patti. It's an issue the NCAA should look at.

.500 record? wrote:

16-16 will get you into NCs for tennis? It must not be that hard to qualify then

There’s a difference between being qualified and being selected.

withlovefromaa wrote:

I disagree. Complaining about anything is pointless because it does nothing to fix the problem. If you are truly upset to the point where you feel compelled to complain, you should probably channel that energy in to actually trying to find a solution to the problem.

Agreed. We keep pointing out stuff that's wrong with things in running and it's kind of pointless. I'm wondering if we should start pushing for more effective change.

Media has some role in exposing certain things but often that isn't enough.

I agree, having a team at Nationals is a big selling point with recruiting. This is especially true for those underfunded teams. In addition that could be the only way to stop the program from being cut. It’s not fair, but tennis, XC, etc are not on the same level as football, basketball, etc. Not fair but that’s the world we live in

Instead of doing what a journalist would do like talking to the coaches involved and doing some research before reporting on the perceived problem you instead editorialize without having all the facts

You suggest that someone should be fired for this? That's absurd, and it is why you get very little respect from people in track and field and practically no respect on your own board.

I suggest that you stop posting for a while. Go and take a few journalism and ethics classes and then come back.

Chris Halioris reached out to the coaches, analyzed the situation, compared teams and their respective schedule. Then Chris presented his ideas without suggesting that someone lose their job for doing the most that they can for their program.

https://www.collegetennistoday.com/item/1731-the-sub-500-manifesto-what-should-be-done.html

What would have happened if Tennessee won a game or 2? Would they then have played 8?, 10? games until they won 6 more than they lost? I would have said "no" when the Arkansas Coach asked the Tennessee State Coach to play 6 "matches" instead of 3 at the last minute because they could not find another pansy to pad their schedule. What a JOKE.

pathetic wrote:

Hopefully whatever committee is in charge of picking the at-large teams for the tournament sees through this and doesn't select them to compete.

Bingo.

I can't wait for the world 's Top 4 Olympics Medal schools (USC, UCLA, Stanford, Berkeley) to pull out of the NCAA and PAC-12 and form their own Block Chain enforced 5G-TV Corporation.

My understanding of the NCAA D1 rules is that each competition counts as 3 hours towards the weekly allowance. So if that’s the case, I’d love to see their practice logs for that week. 18 hours in one day makes the rest of the week pretty boring lol.

Flounder wrote:

Instead of doing what a journalist would do like talking to the coaches involved and doing some research before reporting on the perceived problem you instead editorialize without having all the facts

You suggest that someone should be fired for this?

I suggest that you stop posting for a while. Go and take a few journalism and ethics classes and then come back.

Chris Halioris reached out to the coaches, analyzed the situation, compared teams and their respective schedule. Then Chris presented his ideas without suggesting that someone lose their job for doing the most that they can for their program.

I think the fact that every single athletic department is totally obsessed with only their own self-interest is a real problem. It's a a microcosm of one of the big problems of modern society - total self-absorption. Administrators have forgotten that they are supposed to be educating people.

PS. You think I need to take a journalism class? Why? I expressed my opinion. It was an opinion piece. And please tell me what fact I didn't know? I know they were 10-16 and scheduled 6 games at the last minute.

The guy didn't even ask Tennessee State how much money they were paid. Why not?

rojo wrote:

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I think the fact that every single athletic department is totally obsessed with only their own self-interest is a real problem. It's a a microcosm of one of the big problems of modern society - total self-absorption. Administrators have forgotten that they are supposed to be educating people.

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The phrase sometime used for this is "tragedy of the commons" . This is analogous to how awfully unrestrained capitalism morphs into corrupt oligarchical rule, as is being fairly well demonstrated in the US these days.

rojo wrote:

I think the fact that every single athletic department is totally obsessed with only their own self-interest is a real problem. It's a a microcosm of one of the big problems of modern society - total self-absorption. Administrators have forgotten that they are supposed to be educating people.

PS. You think I need to take a journalism class? Why? I expressed my opinion. It was an opinion piece. And please tell me what fact I didn't know? I know they were 10-16 and scheduled 6 games at the last minute.

The guy didn't even ask Tennessee State how much money they were paid. Why not?

I agree with you that there is a problem. I just don't agree with you calling for someone to be fired over what is well within the rules. Compared to the activity that has occurred at, for example, U of L, where coaches brought in prostitutes to entertain recruits. That is something where someone should be fired. A coach giving his players a chance to make to the NCAAs without cheating and by playing by the rules is not a fire-able offense.

I think Chris did mention, at least in the second article that TN State was getting $15K that goes right to their tennis program.

My concern is that you waffle between trying to be a journalist while simultaneously injecting your opinion. An editorialist is not a journalist. That's why people are hesitant to talk to you at times which then lessens your ability to be a journalist who can report track and field news. There are plenty of people posting on the board who give their opinions. We need more people on the board who provide facts rather than opinion, speculation, hopes and dreams.

When you report facts it is usually very good. When you give your opinion, well, you tend to go a little over the top.

rojo wrote:

I think the fact that every single athletic department is totally obsessed with only their own self-interest is a real problem.

Yep, let's make competitive sports a big group hug instead.

Here we have a clear win-win-win(-win-win-win) situation for absolutely everyone involved, and some do-gooder admin overlords want to dispel it.

sociologistic wrote:

rojo wrote:

... I think the fact that every single athletic department is totally obsessed with only their own self-interest is a real problem. It's a a microcosm of one of the big problems of modern society - total self-absorption. ...

The phrase sometime used for this is "tragedy of the commons" . This is analogous to how awfully unrestrained capitalism morphs into corrupt oligarchical rule, as is being fairly well demonstrated in the US these days.

Wow, never thought I'd see someone so confused about the concept.

"Tragedy of the commons" occurs because the authority (government) PREVENTS individual property rights, and thus everyone is merely left to try to exploit the "common" wealth. Rational approach instead, is to divvy up the "commons", and let each produce with them according to his own.

The only "tragedy" is not self-absorption, but the "common" aspect, forced and compelled by pseudo-benevolent rulers, for typically dopey idealistic kooky nuttcase ideas.

I agree that it is seen a lot in USA today, especially in Obama era, but prior to that in Kelo decision to trample individual rights to create "common" good somehow.

Was Tennessee State payed for the event? Or per game? If its per game, they likely had an incentive to LOSE their games. At 7 or 8 games, Arkansas would likely have given up or found another team to put on the schedule later. Or if they wanted more games on the same day, TN state would have to keep playing until they've lost enough - what fun is that. TN State's goal seems to be money for their program here, not winning. With that in mind, they can say oh our record is really whatever it is before this event and just thrown every game. I don't think this event is fair or playing by the rules at all.