iwishiwould wrote:
ashman wrote:
As I mentioned in the preview thread, it was Elllison's PB last week that pushed Murphy into Windle's heat. If not for that, Murphy is almost certainly in the final.
If I had 45 second , 400 speed and sub-4 strength, I, too, would almost certainly be in the final!
Except his 45 second 400 speed and sub-4 strength wasn't enough to outkick Windle.
Again, Murphy's overestimation of his skills costs him dearly.
Les wrote:
Except his 45 second 400 speed and sub-4 strength wasn't enough to outkick Windle.
Again, Murphy's overestimation of his skills costs him dearly.
If he had run 50 point for the first 400, he would have qualified no doubt. Naive tactics on his part.
BorisB. wrote:
Les wrote:
Except his 45 second 400 speed and sub-4 strength wasn't enough to outkick Windle.
Again, Murphy's overestimation of his skills costs him dearly.
If he had run 50 point for the first 400, he would have qualified no doubt. Naive tactics on his part.
My gosh, and if he had run faster than most or all of the qualifiers he would have qualified no doubt. Oddly, that's what I love about track. No stacked deck. Do it on the day or don't advance.
I actually think this was exactly what Windle wanted to happen.
I think he knew if he slowed the race down from the front he could win it on the last 200. I bet he figured - why not eliminate a main rival in the prelims rather than have to beat him in the final? Windle is a straight 800 guy while Murphy is more of a hybrid 8/15. He probably felt pretty confident that he would beat him in the last 200 of a tactical race.
rojo wrote:
This is why before the race I asked people what they thought about only the winner advancing. I don't like it - hate it outdoors. I think I'd rather see top 2 move on automatically from each heat go on.
BY going by time qualifiers - you are assuming people are running for time. They often aren't - like no one runs for time in a 1500 at altitude.
Now I'm sure many will criticize his tactics. "Why didn't he just make sure he runs a 1:48 which he can do in his sleep (1:48.66 got in on time)?"
Well for starters being in the first heat he had no idea what the time qualifiers would be. But the second point is this. Does it really matter? And what I mean by that is - If he can't be Windle, is he going to make the team anyway? Maybe that's what the NOP was thinking in clearly telling him just to run to win.
The NOP dreams big.
And their stars also often blow off the media. Following in the footsteps of past NOP stars in the past like Rupp and Cain, Murphy didn't stop in the mixed zone after his disappointing race.
I grew up with the "advance one more than medals awarded" rule for trial heats . Folks liked T&F then they enjoyed watching meets, even the long ones.
I agree one from each heat is too restrictive. I know the time/expense/TV window argument but just invite fewer athletes. Top 12 times from season list then do the zigzag seed and pick top three from each for advance to the final.
We have argued the value of development at a championship meet too death. Bigger bunch of guys in a half or full marathonor10,000m is different from events run in trial heat to finals format.
I promise you Murphy will never be a factor on the world stage again. Flash in the pan. Leaving Labadie was the biggest mistake he could ever make.
All our 800 guys right now are huge talents that completely lack the wherewithal to make it happen when it counts. Never thought I’d say this but wish Symmonds was still around. We’re going to have a dry spell in the 800m for years to come.
Promise wrote:
I promise you Murphy will never be a factor on the world stage again. Flash in the pan. Leaving Labadie was the biggest mistake he could ever make.
All our 800 guys right now are huge talents that completely lack the wherewithal to make it happen when it counts. Never thought I’d say this but wish Symmonds was still around. We’re going to have a dry spell in the 800m for years to come.
Someone save this post as it’s the opposite of popular consensus. We have the world indoor champ, an Olympic medalist and the second and third fastest indoor performers in Us history all competing now and you are claiming they are all such head cases they will never be good again
rojo wrote:
Promise wrote:
I promise you Murphy will never be a factor on the world stage again. Flash in the pan. Leaving Labadie was the biggest mistake he could ever make.
All our 800 guys right now are huge talents that completely lack the wherewithal to make it happen when it counts. Never thought I’d say this but wish Symmonds was still around. We’re going to have a dry spell in the 800m for years to come.
Someone save this post as it’s the opposite of popular consensus. We have the world indoor champ, an Olympic medalist and the second and third fastest indoor performers in Us history all competing now and you are claiming they are all such head cases they will never be good again
I agree with Promise!!
Should have never left the great, legendary coach he had at Akrun. LEE LABADIE.
rojo wrote:
This is why before the race I asked people what they thought about only the winner advancing. I don't like it - hate it outdoors. I think I'd rather see top 2 move on automatically from each heat go on.
BY going by time qualifiers - you are assuming people are running for time. They often aren't - like no one runs for time in a 1500 at altitude.
Now I'm sure many will criticize his tactics. "Why didn't he just make sure he runs a 1:48 which he can do in his sleep (1:48.66 got in on time)?"
Well for starters being in the first heat he had no idea what the time qualifiers would be. But the second point is this. Does it really matter? And what I mean by that is - If he can't be Windle, is he going to make the team anyway? Maybe that's what the NOP was thinking in clearly telling him just to run to win.
The NOP dreams big.
And their stars also often blow off the media. Following in the footsteps of past NOP stars in the past like Rupp and Cain, Murphy didn't stop in the mixed zone after his disappointing race.
So you would rather a 1:49 make the final and a 1:48 he sent home. You’re being biased, and that’s bull. The fastest runners on that day should rightfully make the final, they might not be your household(letsrun) name but they deserve a shot for their hard work. You have a Millennial take on this subject, strange for an older man like yourself.
Wanna get in the final, do like the old school guys and run you balls out and don’t run like a lil B and try to slip pass someone at the line. Good job Windle holding his a** off
Murphy was unknown by the masses 2 years ago and we all rooted for the underdog but just like that he is the guy on top that we don’t mind seeing fall a bit. I think that he will have years where he runs 1:45 and does well in the world stage but I just can’t predict that he will run 1:42. I hope Sowinski makes the team. He never has a bad race.
BigWill8008 wrote:
I'm talking about a clean performance. I have heard that he was on a PED when he ran 1:46
Some people just keep pushing the foot further and further into the mouth...
Murphy wad never going to be a factor making the team. It will basically be the Brazier and Windle show. Murphy wad the top dog in 16 and early last year. Since he has been hurt he has had to take a back seat to the other guys. The problem with yesterday was he concentrated top much on Windle and not what he needed to do to get to the final. Instead of playing a cat and mouse game where he actually got himself eliminated, he should have just hammered a 1:47 and not worried where he was going to place.
BigWill8008 wrote:
I'm talking about a clean performance. I have heard that he was on a PED when he ran 1:46
No, you are just a brainless moron. That’s all there is to it.
At the level these guys are racing at Race Strategy is very important. It doesn't take
much for someone to lose to an inferior opponent.
You line up 8 guys and all of them have a chance to win.
At the high school level that is rarely the situation. In addition it's more difficult to
win indoors than outdoors. There are more variables indoors.
Murphy is young yet and might bet better with more practice racing.
wejo wrote:
The heat was tactical. Here was our semi-live play by play>
26.73 at 200. Windle led.
55.76 at 400 for Windle (damn.There may not be time qualifiers from this one. Murphy on his shoulder).
600 - 1:23.69 Murphy still there.
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Wow 1:49.21 Windle over Murphy! Murphy pulled up on his shoulder but never gave up the lead. Windle wire to wire.
Wow, Murphy raced like an absolute idiot.
1:42 and he found a way to lose to a 1:44 guy? Amateurish pacing.
Should have stayed in school and learned to race properly. Or gone to a coach who knows the distance.
thrown away blown away wrote:
wejo wrote:
The heat was tactical. Here was our semi-live play by play>
26.73 at 200. Windle led.
55.76 at 400 for Windle (damn.There may not be time qualifiers from this one. Murphy on his shoulder).
600 - 1:23.69 Murphy still there.
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Wow 1:49.21 Windle over Murphy! Murphy pulled up on his shoulder but never gave up the lead. Windle wire to wire.
Wow, Murphy raced like an absolute idiot.
1:42 and he found a way to lose to a 1:44 guy? Amateurish pacing.
Should have stayed in school and learned to race properly. Or gone to a coach who knows the distance.
Careful buddy, I got shooters and I ain't afraid to call them out. NOP gang gang!
Think about it a little more wrote:
Think a little harder about what you want. If you have top 2 auto qualify then you have zero time qualifiers. Is that really the better solution?
Another option is have an additional heat. Which is probably worse.
It’s only indoors... an indoor world medal is about the same as a high school state championship.
Yes. 800's are not run for time; time qualifiers shouldn't exist for 800's , 1500's, or 5000's *ever* unless the heats don't allow for even numbers of qualifiers per heat.
CuriousPerson wrote:
Think about it a little more wrote:
Think a little harder about what you want. If you have top 2 auto qualify then you have zero time qualifiers. Is that really the better solution?
Another option is have an additional heat. Which is probably worse.
It’s only indoors... an indoor world medal is about the same as a high school state championship.
Yes. 800's are not run for time; time qualifiers shouldn't exist for 800's , 1500's, or 5000's *ever* unless the heats don't allow for even numbers of qualifiers per heat.
You're wrong.