The bar has been raised: Ethiopia just had 7 men under 2:04:45 and 6 women 2:20:45 or better in one race

yyy wrote:

Is there any testing in Dubai? It seems that many perform well there, but hardly ever again?!?

So, let me get this straight: it's doping if it's a non-white non-American runner?

You guys are the worst.

2:09 Galen. Lol.

FFS wrote:

yyy wrote:

Is there any testing in Dubai? It seems that many perform well there, but hardly ever again?!?

So, let me get this straight: it's doping if it's a non-white non-American runner?

You guys are the worst.

2:09 Galen. Lol.

Non-American

or

Non-White

Correcto.

Every African according to these Boards. Paula and Mo. The new Norwegian dude. But nothing about Galen or Jordan. They are the Mr and Mrs Clean.

It's a very basic psychological concept called abstract jealousy.

Let's face it. All these people on these boards and given the size of the nation, they have a woeful international record. Get over it.

wejo wrote:

Well done my friends.

America has had 1 woman ever that fast and no men. We really need more American men under 2:10.

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/01/mosinet-geremew-roza-dereje-win-2018-dubai-marathon-deepest-marathon-history-7-men-break-205-4-women-break-220/

Have I ever wondered what it looks like?? Yes, I have!!

And now I know it looks like someone's janky phone vid uploaded to Twitter and replayed with no audio and shxt image quality.

That's letsrun!

I really have a hard time believing Dubai is a clean race. Year after year, Ethiopian B team runners come in and drop 4-5 minute PRs in humid 60 degree weather. Kenyan runners never show up.

UAE has long tried to use its oil money to buy everything that Europe and the US has so they can feel like they are something other than the backwards Middle East monarchy that they really are. They have a Formula One grand prix, tennis championships, golf tournament, horse racing and have been fighting with Qatar to attract other world championship events. Locals have very little interest in these events. They are just staged for foreign nationals to create an image that UAE is modern and on par with Europe when UAE is really very backwards and tribal. Thus, it is not hard to imaging Dubai striking a deal with corrupt Ethiopian managers to dope up a bunch of B team runners in exchange for some interference with IAAF testing. Even if someone gets caught, they are just B team runners and no big loss for their managers.

UKAD is hired to handle testing.

yeah, but what could Nick Symmonds run on that course?!

i bet he breaks 3 hours

Correcto wrote:

Every African according to these Boards. Paula and Mo. The new Norwegian dude. But nothing about Galen or Jordan. They are the Mr and Mrs Clean.

It's a very basic psychological concept called abstract jealousy.

These boards consistently attack Galen. Are you kidding?

wejo wrote:

Well done my friends.

America has had 1 woman ever that fast and no men. We really need more American men under 2:10.

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/01/mosinet-geremew-roza-dereje-win-2018-dubai-marathon-deepest-marathon-history-7-men-break-205-4-women-break-220/

6/10. You've gotten quite a few replies Wojo.

Take away the 200K prize money, and would Dubai receive any media coverage? How anyone takes this race or these times seriously is beyond me. Year after year these "2:04 guys" show up and can't run even 2:09 anywhere else - although Tola did manage 2:09 at Worlds last year. The chances of Tola breaking 2:10 at Boston this year - maybe 20%? Will we even hear from any of these other guys ever again? Right - Dubai 2019 of course.......

For those of you who can't fathom that these marks are being achieved with the best and latest drugs, consider that Haile Gebrselassie ran this at the peak of his marathon ability:

2002 London Marathon 3rd 2:06:35

2005 Amsterdam Marathon 1st 2:06:20

2006 London Marathon 9th 2:09:31

2006 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:05:56

2006 Fukuoka Marathon 1st 2:06:52

2007 London Marathon DNF —

2007 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:04:26 WR

2008 Dubai Marathon 1st 2:04:53

2008 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:03:59 WR

2009 Dubai Marathon 1st 2:05:29

2009 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:06:08

2010 Dubai Marathon 1st 2:06:09

Clearly there may have been weather differences or pacing differences, but when the greatest runner of all time runs 2:04:53 when GOING FOR THE WR, and 10 years later SEVEN people do it, you have to start to accept it's not the "new training".

i didn't go to an ivy wrote:

wejo wrote:

Well done my friends.

America has had 1 woman ever that fast and no men. We really need more American men under 2:10.

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/01/mosinet-geremew-roza-dereje-win-2018-dubai-marathon-deepest-marathon-history-7-men-break-205-4-women-break-220/

No, we really need out of competition testing in Africa.

indeed. I'm sick of people whining that its too expensive, or these parts of Africa are too rural, even though most athletes are training in one of a few areas. Get a helicopter, fly to the towns and villages these athletes are at and force them to test. Time and time again untested ethiopian and kenyan nobodies pop fast times when they know they won't be tested post race.

The Overexplainer wrote:

For those of you who can't fathom that these marks are being achieved with the best and latest drugs, consider that Haile Gebrselassie ran this at the peak of his marathon ability:

2002 London Marathon 3rd 2:06:35

2005 Amsterdam Marathon 1st 2:06:20

2006 London Marathon 9th 2:09:31

2006 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:05:56

2006 Fukuoka Marathon 1st 2:06:52

2007 London Marathon DNF —

2007 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:04:26 WR

2008 Dubai Marathon 1st 2:04:53

2008 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:03:59 WR

2009 Dubai Marathon 1st 2:05:29

2009 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:06:08

2010 Dubai Marathon 1st 2:06:09

Clearly there may have been weather differences or pacing differences, but when the greatest runner of all time runs 2:04:53 when GOING FOR THE WR, and 10 years later SEVEN people do it, you have to start to accept it's not the "new training".

Even more obvious given that Haile himself was at least on it up to his gills, if not eyeballs.

Just how much faster would doping make you? Within a year?

This is not the first time a slew of incredible times came out of this race. Most of these athletes will not be able to repeat this performance elsewhere.

trollism wrote:

The Overexplainer wrote:

For those of you who can't fathom that these marks are being achieved with the best and latest drugs, consider that Haile Gebrselassie ran this at the peak of his marathon ability:

2002 London Marathon 3rd 2:06:35

2005 Amsterdam Marathon 1st 2:06:20

2006 London Marathon 9th 2:09:31

2006 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:05:56

2006 Fukuoka Marathon 1st 2:06:52

2007 London Marathon DNF —

2007 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:04:26 WR

2008 Dubai Marathon 1st 2:04:53

2008 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:03:59 WR

2009 Dubai Marathon 1st 2:05:29

2009 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:06:08

2010 Dubai Marathon 1st 2:06:09

Clearly there may have been weather differences or pacing differences, but when the greatest runner of all time runs 2:04:53 when GOING FOR THE WR, and 10 years later SEVEN people do it, you have to start to accept it's not the "new training".

Even more obvious given that Haile himself was at least on it up to his gills, if not eyeballs.

That's all fine. As long as we have all the evil Russians banned and every record taken away.

trollism wrote:

The Overexplainer wrote:

For those of you who can't fathom that these marks are being achieved with the best and latest drugs, consider that Haile Gebrselassie ran this at the peak of his marathon ability:

2002 London Marathon 3rd 2:06:35

2005 Amsterdam Marathon 1st 2:06:20

2006 London Marathon 9th 2:09:31

2006 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:05:56

2006 Fukuoka Marathon 1st 2:06:52

2007 London Marathon DNF —

2007 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:04:26 WR

2008 Dubai Marathon 1st 2:04:53

2008 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:03:59 WR

2009 Dubai Marathon 1st 2:05:29

2009 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:06:08

2010 Dubai Marathon 1st 2:06:09

Clearly there may have been weather differences or pacing differences, but when the greatest runner of all time runs 2:04:53 when GOING FOR THE WR, and 10 years later SEVEN people do it, you have to start to accept it's not the "new training".

Even more obvious given that Haile himself was at least on it up to his gills, if not eyeballs.

I've known him for some time and I disagree.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

We do. Just like the kind of out of competition testing that resulting in John Ngugi's ban in 1993.

I'd never heard this until now. What were the circumstance behind the missed test? I've always considered Ngugi to be one of the greatest runners ever.

Some pompous english jerk burst into Ngugi's home demanding his blood without identifying himself and without any Kenyan officials present.

Ngugi rightfully tossed the jerk out on his ass, and was banned.

The Overexplainer wrote:

For those of you who can't fathom that these marks are being achieved with the best and latest drugs, consider that Haile Gebrselassie ran this at the peak of his marathon ability:

2002 London Marathon 3rd 2:06:35

2005 Amsterdam Marathon 1st 2:06:20

2006 London Marathon 9th 2:09:31

2006 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:05:56

2006 Fukuoka Marathon 1st 2:06:52

2007 London Marathon DNF —

2007 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:04:26 WR

2008 Dubai Marathon 1st 2:04:53

2008 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:03:59 WR

2009 Dubai Marathon 1st 2:05:29

2009 Berlin Marathon 1st 2:06:08

2010 Dubai Marathon 1st 2:06:09

Clearly there may have been weather differences or pacing differences, but when the greatest runner of all time runs 2:04:53 when GOING FOR THE WR, and 10 years later SEVEN people do it, you have to start to accept it's not the "new training".

that one really makes you think....mr 12:39, 26:22 only ran 2:06:52, and the new wonder kid moen runs 2:05:48, a whole minute + faster than 2nd ranked GOAT....come on man lets not be so naive!

lols what am i talking about, EPO doesnt work

It's clearly a great, fast course.... and there's decent money payouts well past just the top 3 finishers... i understand why it attracts the people it attracts. However, i do not understand why it does not also attract american (and japanese) racers? Seems like there are a lot of guys who are not realistically contending for Major wins but could PR 3-5mins in Dubai and maybe even make some cash.