Onerunner wrote:
I run 65-75 mpw and all my mileage runs are around 7:10-7:30 pace.
So I assume you are running 15:15 - 15:30 on a regular basis? And your #2 is running 16:30?
Sounds like you are either running too fast yourself or you need to step up and be a leader. If your #2 guy is running 16:30 off 25 mpw, get him in gear and he'll be right up with you.
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Onerunner wrote:
It's really stupid. My high school XC team, where my 5K time is at least a minute ahead of our #2 runner, runs faster on their easy days than me. I run 65-75 mpw and all my mileage runs are around 7:10-7:30 pace. The rest of my team runs 6:45-7:00 on every run but only run 25 mpw. They are breathing heavily and straining on even a 5 mile run, whereas I can run a 9 miler pretty comfortably at a 7:15 pace.
Why can they get it into their heads that most of their running should be easy (especially since it's summer) and the pace does not matter very much? Does anyone else deal with this?
Because they went hard on your mom last night
Hormones and girls in jog bras and short shorts?
i get the analytical argument you're making, but big picture a team that shows up and works hard doesn't merit venting.
and i don't buy if they just jogged the easy runs they are a minute faster. you kind of waffled on that and suggested it might also be their mileage and endurance levels, which is the opposite direction.
also, given the hectoring tone i am receiving, your message might be received better when they signal openness, ask how you do what you do, or in individual conversations. it might not work in a lecture hall style setting and approach where you chew them out as a group in a locker. it might work if x friend comes to you instead, says, i wish i had your speed, or i wish i knew how you did it, and you then give your speech, ok, do some long runs on off days, and do some of the recovery stuff slower, etc. or you grab the 2 or 3 guys and instead of lecturing them, build them up, i think you could be a minute faster, if you want that, here's what you do.
sometimes it's how you approach people. pick your timing. part of being a leader is knowing how to reach different people different ways with the same message they might fight when sent another way.
but also know when to just drop it. if you were pushy about it already, the well may be poisoned, and you might as well wait for them to come to you.
side point but my HS XC team, a lot of us lived in a few contiguous neighborhoods, and so instead of some summer training plan discussion, you swing by a house, tell them you're going for a run to get ready for cross season, you two go to the next guy's house, etc., and next thing you have half the cross team out doing summer work. you're going about it verbally and analytically. why not just run by and ring doorbells. drop a text. etc.
Onerunner wrote:
It's really stupid. My high school XC team, where my 5K time is at least a minute ahead of our #2 runner, runs faster on their easy days than me. I run 65-75 mpw and all my mileage runs are around 7:10-7:30 pace. The rest of my team runs 6:45-7:00 on every run but only run 25 mpw. They are breathing heavily and straining on even a 5 mile run, whereas I can run a 9 miler pretty comfortably at a 7:15 pace.
Why can they get it into their heads that most of their running should be easy (especially since it's summer) and the pace does not matter very much? Does anyone else deal with this?
Yeah, it sure didn't work out for Ritz
Relax. They are young, and for the most part running for fun. Let them enjoy themselves and challenge themselves. Tactic and running intelligence will come as they grow older and mature in the sport.
"You've shown that you can train hard. Now show that you can train smart."
Former HS coach of girls team. Could never understand why the boys team would run 6-615 pace when their top five were racing at 17:00-17:30 season ending best. During track, same thing…4 ran 2:05-2:00 for the 800, however their best mile time was 4:53.