In what way is the election rigged?

For those that don't think rigging the election is possible, or that some voter fraud would make a difference...

1976- Jimmy Carter vs Gerald Ford

Carter wins in L.A County by less than 100,000 votes.

He wins California by less than that.

Because he wins California, he has enough electoral votes and wins the election.

I don't think it was rigged, but, theoretically, you would only have to fix certain districts in L.A. county (or a similar region today) to make a massive shift.

rojo wrote:

It amazes me that some liberals don't understand Trump when he says it's all rigged.

Trump exaggerates and speaks symbolically. Do I think he thinks all illegal aliens are rapists? No, but he wants immigration stopped. Do I think he thinks voting fraud is the main reason why it's rigged?

No, I think largely he means the whole system is rigged because the mainstream media is so biased.

Yeah, we can't take the Republican presidential nominee at his word! That would be outrageous! Instead, we should send a transcript of all of his daily remarks over to Rush (a.k.a., The Most Honest Pill-Popper in All the Land) so that he can interpret the "symbolism" for us. (My favorite part of the transcript you linked to was when Limbo claimed that dead people only vote for democrats, and referenced two instances from 19 fricken 60 as his evidence. It can't be denied!)

But you bring up a good question. Why would people who've made their careers covering politics in-depth overwhelmingly oppose a man who has demonstrated zero knowledge of how government actually works, and who has spoken extremely critically of various aspects of the first amendment and the idea of a free press? I just can't figure it, I surely can't.

Da Vinci Code wrote:

For those that don't think rigging the election is possible, or that some voter fraud would make a difference...

1976- Jimmy Carter vs Gerald Ford

Carter wins in L.A County by less than 100,000 votes.

He wins California by less than that.

Because he wins California, he has enough electoral votes and wins the election.

I don't think it was rigged, but, theoretically, you would only have to fix certain districts in L.A. county (or a similar region today) to make a massive shift.

That's assuming you knew ahead of time which of the 1000's of districts in this country would be the significant ones.

Da Vinci Code wrote:

For those that don't think rigging the election is possible, or that some voter fraud would make a difference...

1976- Jimmy Carter vs Gerald Ford

Carter wins in L.A County by less than 100,000 votes.

He wins California by less than that.

Because he wins California, he has enough electoral votes and wins the election.

I don't think it was rigged, but, theoretically, you would only have to fix certain districts in L.A. county (or a similar region today) to make a massive shift.

The further back you go in history the more plausible it would be. We have 90 million more people today than we did in 1976, our systems are more distributed and surveillance is at a completely different level.

Where I live, a person cannot use a pay check to register to vote.

rojo wrote:

It amazes me that some liberals don't understand Trump when he says it's all rigged.

Trump exaggerates and speaks symbolically. Do I think he thinks all illegal aliens are rapists? No, but he wants immigration stopped.

Trump's statement on illegals wasn't an exaggeration or symbolic. It was accurate. He never said all illegal immigrants were rapists. He never said most. Nor did he say that rapists were the only problem among illegal immigrants so it baffles be why people say he thinks all immigrants (legal or illegal) are rapists.

off base wrote:

The media bias argument is crazy to me. What about Fox, Rush, InfoWars and all the other conservative media?.

Conservatives listen to those outlets. We're talking about the average supposedly non-partisan outlet like ABC, CBS, NBC, etc.

And imagine what it was like before those things were invented.

One other thing, have you heard much about GOP headquarters in NC being firebombed? If this happened to the Dems, you'd see it being covered as MAJOR news - the crazy Trump supporters etc. Since it's fromm the left, you don't hear much of anything.

In terms of it being rigged, I think one thing that annoys the hell out of the right is why in the hell is it viewed as racist to require an ID to vote? If I want to buy a beer, I have to an ID. If there are no shenanigans going on, an ID requirement seems perfectly reasonable.

In the recent mayoral election here in Baltimore, the election wasn't certified for days due to irregularities.

rojo wrote:

off base wrote:

The media bias argument is crazy to me. What about Fox, Rush, InfoWars and all the other conservative media?.

Conservatives listen to those outlets. We're talking about the average supposedly non-partisan outlet like ABC, CBS, NBC, etc.

And imagine what it was like before those things were invented.

This is the product of an Ivy league education?

Meritocracy has nothing to do with it.

Who cares what the mass media says. Most of my deeply Republican fans get their news from Facebook, of all places. They endlessly post urban legends, photo memes, and false information, and work themselves into a tizzy. Still waiting for Obama to take our guns, put us under martial law and implement FEMA death camps, and all the other things crazy conservatives were so sure were going to happen.

Diablo Rojo wrote:

But you bring up a good question. Why would people who've made their careers covering politics in-depth overwhelmingly oppose a man who has demonstrated zero knowledge of how government actually works, and who has spoken extremely critically of various aspects of the first amendment and the idea of a free press? I just can't figure it, I surely can't.

I'm not sure why you can't figure it out. There is nothing wrong with what Trump said about the press. He said he wants stronger libel and slander laws. He doesn't want the press to be able to freely lie and manipulate information. How can you possibly be against that idea? He didn't say he wanted censorship or preferential treatment. He just doesn't want the lying.

off base wrote:

For those of you that actually believe the election is, or could be, rigged: How so? I would like to hear exactly how you think a group would go about perpetrating voter fraud to a scale that it could change the outcome of an election.

This is not an issue between Democrats and Republicans. It goes well beyond that. This is an issue about how the political system is a joke. Here is a book worth reading in case you doubt it:

The world is a lie. It is a stage crafted to distract you from God. Turn from darkness and follow Jesus. Neither Hillary nor Trump can save you; no one on the television or in the magazines can. Only Jesus Christ can.

Don't be foolish and waste your times on deceitful things!

Getting older wrote:

Who cares what the mass media says. Most of my deeply Republican fans get their news from Facebook, of all places. They endlessly post urban legends, photo memes, and false information, and work themselves into a tizzy. Still waiting for Obama to take our guns, put us under martial law and implement FEMA death camps, and all the other things crazy conservatives were so sure were going to happen.

Why do we care what the mass media says? Because the mass media reaches more people than just your few deeply Republican friends.

rojo wrote:

One other thing, have you heard much about GOP headquarters in NC being firebombed? If this happened to the Dems, you'd see it being covered as MAJOR news - the crazy Trump supporters etc. Since it's fromm the left, you don't hear much of anything.

In terms of it being rigged, I think one thing that annoys the hell out of the right is why in the hell is it viewed as racist to require an ID to vote? If I want to buy a beer, I have to an ID. If there are no shenanigans going on, an ID requirement seems perfectly reasonable.

In the recent mayoral election here in Baltimore, the election wasn't certified for days due to irregularities.

On the surface that makes sense. The reason some people call it racist is that the percentage of minorities without cars or drivers licences is much higher than whites. I know there are other forms of ID, but many poor people in cities do not have IDs.

It's OK to vote as long as you have a picture ID.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/wikileaks-podesta-says-ok-illegals-vote-drivers-licence/

How about shutting down wikileaks in an attempt to prevent the public from knowing what went on in Hillary's campaign?

How about 24/7 smear machine aimed at Trump in the Oligarch owned media?

How about getting women to suddenly remember that Trump assaulted them decades ago, assaults they never reported or told anyone about?

How about debate moderators who clearly favor one candidate?

reading here wrote:

Getting older wrote:

Who cares what the mass media says. Most of my deeply Republican fans get their news from Facebook, of all places. They endlessly post urban legends, photo memes, and false information, and work themselves into a tizzy. Still waiting for Obama to take our guns, put us under martial law and implement FEMA death camps, and all the other things crazy conservatives were so sure were going to happen.

Why do we care what the mass media says? Because the mass media reaches more people than just your few deeply Republican friends.

I am starting to doubt that. Only about 23 million people actually watch the national nightly news, for example -- and that's for all networks combined!

How many adults are on Facebook sharing crap daily?

reading here wrote:

He doesn't want the press to be able to freely lie and manipulate information. How can you possibly be against that idea? He didn't say he wanted censorship or preferential treatment. He just doesn't want the lying.

One person's "lying" is another person's "facts."

Let's remind the Ivy League educated, yet fact resistant, Trump vigorously denies plain fact then makes every excuse imaginable. According to his fantasy world, media outlets making claims based on fact are "lying."

Trump wakes up tomorrow claiming the Earth is the center of the universe. Everyone who disagrees is "a liar." Let's be sure to restrict the Press from having any discussion at all, anywhere in the U.S. about whether or not the Earth is the center of the universe.

Now what?

Jeffy Tull wrote:

How about shutting down wikileaks in an attempt to prevent the public from knowing what went on in Hillary's campaign?

How about 24/7 smear machine aimed at Trump in the Oligarch owned media?

How about getting women to suddenly remember that Trump assaulted them decades ago, assaults they never reported or told anyone about?

How about debate moderators who clearly favor one candidate?

How about getting your tinfoil hat loosened?