it's the most fair way out there for the athletes. besides, if you choke under pressure at USA's, why should we think you won't choke under pressure at the Olympics.
it's the most fair way out there for the athletes. besides, if you choke under pressure at USA's, why should we think you won't choke under pressure at the Olympics.
werwerewr wrote:
More proof that our system for Olympic Qualifying is set up so that we send a weaker team than we could. Not just in this event, but numerous events. Other countries obviously have less competitive teams, but they make sure their system allows them to put their best foot forward.
I'm all ears as to how you wish to choose the team.
Misses the team, WR a week later. Unprecedented. The only parallel I can think of is when Komen was left off the Kenyan team in '96 and blew up the 3K/5K
former wall streeter wrote:
I'm all ears as to how you wish to choose the team.
First two at the trials, another to be added at a later cut off date, that date being London Diamond League.
So the answer to that trivia question, "Who is the best track athlete never make an Olympic team?".
Kendra Harrison
USATF should learn from the Jamaica situation with Bolt and the American situation with Harrison and change to the 2+1 system, But that assumes actual intelligence on the part of people in USATF....never going to happen.
coach d wrote:
So the answer to that trivia question, "Who is the best track athlete never make an Olympic team?".
Kendra Harrison
USATF should learn from the Jamaica situation with Bolt and the American situation with Harrison and change to the 2+1 system, But that assumes actual intelligence on the part of people in USATF....never going to happen.
2+1 would simply be 2 plus Nike selection.
Is this not a good argument against the American system of selection. It's not just the team, but you have deprived the world of a chance to watch the best in the event at the pinnacle of the sport.
This ! Something smells foul in the state of Denmark... Nobody for years came close to the obviously drug fueled record and then slowly athletes have been chipping away at this non soft record. Similar to the old Eastern German 400 meter relay record that was unbeatable until fairly recently, PED regiments have been enhanced from the doped 80's in sprinting.fivers wrote:
werwerewr wrote:More proof that our system for Olympic Qualifying is set up so that we send a weaker team than we could. Not just in this event, but numerous events. Other countries obviously have less competitive teams, but they make sure their system allows them to put their best foot forward.
More proof that state enabled doping is rampant in USA. USA doesn't need a state sponsored doping program because athletes are being well taken care of private training groups and doctors.
Rato_ wrote:
Is this not a good argument against the American system of selection. It's not just the team, but you have deprived the world of a chance to watch the best in the event at the pinnacle of the sport.
Difficult to be best in the world if you're not even the best in your own country. WR does not necessarily mean you are best in the world, just that you have the best single performance. In a championship situation the athlete is competing against other athletes in a high pressure situation -- like the Olympic Trials.
Drugs, Drugs, Drugs! wrote:
fivers wrote:This ! Something smells foul in the state of Denmark... Nobody for years came close to the obviously drug fueled record and then slowly athletes have been chipping away at this non soft record. Similar to the old Eastern German 400 meter relay record that was unbeatable until fairly recently, PED regiments have been enhanced from the doped 80's in sprinting.More proof that state enabled doping is rampant in USA. USA doesn't need a state sponsored doping program because athletes are being well taken care of private training groups and doctors.
On LR you can read that people run slower in 1500-10000 because drug testing has improved, but they run faster in the 100 hurdle and marathon because they have invented new PEDs...
Olympic should give special invites to the recent world record breakers.
Les wrote:
Rato_ wrote:Is this not a good argument against the American system of selection. It's not just the team, but you have deprived the world of a chance to watch the best in the event at the pinnacle of the sport.
Difficult to be best in the world if you're not even the best in your own country. WR does not necessarily mean you are best in the world, just that you have the best single performance. In a championship situation the athlete is competing against other athletes in a high pressure situation -- like the Olympic Trials.
Er, I think your find she is the best in the world.
Ming Jin wrote:
Olympic should give special invites to the recent world record breakers.
This is a better solution than allowing a committee to select for the American team.
Drugs, Drugs, Drugs! wrote:
fivers wrote:This ! Something smells foul in the state of Denmark... Nobody for years came close to the obviously drug fueled record and then slowly athletes have been chipping away at this non soft record. Similar to the old Eastern German 400 meter relay record that was unbeatable until fairly recently, PED regiments have been enhanced from the doped 80's in sprinting.More proof that state enabled doping is rampant in USA. USA doesn't need a state sponsored doping program because athletes are being well taken care of private training groups and doctors.
Is this why loads of women are nearing the WR in the 400m and shot put?
And best of all, she did it sporting a Marge Simpson.
Congratulations, Keni! There will be Olympic Gold in years to come.
Rato_ wrote:
Is this not a good argument against the American system of selection. It's not just the team, but you have deprived the world of a chance to watch the best in the event at the pinnacle of the sport.
No. The American Trials are fun to watch and make sense to everyone who ever had to "live to run another day" in every effing elementary and hs meet ever run.
What it's a good argument against is the thinking that the Olympic Games are the be-all and end-all.
coach d wrote:
So the answer to that trivia question, "Who is the best track athlete never make an Olympic team?".
Kendra Harrison
USATF should learn from the Jamaica situation with Bolt and the American situation with Harrison and change to the 2+1 system, But that assumes actual intelligence on the part of people in USATF....never going to happen.
Great so you find an example where your suggestion is pretty obvious. If it eventually did go to 2+1, you don't think a million comments would be made about the third pick? You have simple solutions for complex situations.
What if she did make it, hit a hurdles as one of the other hurdlers did in that race and was out in the first round at Olympics? I am not suggesting no change, but if you do change how athletes are selected, it makes sense to look at long term consequences.
You get into someone or some group making the third pick and bingo, you got issues bigger than someone having a bad day on the day it counts.
Bingo.
It's the equivalent of the men's race being at 39 inches, as is the high school height.
At 39 in., a fast hurdler will beat a smooth hurdler. Not so over 42 inches.
Over 33s, the flat speed demons literally step right over. Bump it up to 36 and you really have an equivalent race.
no gold medal tho wrote:
it's the most fair way out there for the athletes. besides, if you choke under pressure at USA's, why should we think you won't choke under pressure at the Olympics.
It isn't necessarily choking. It may be you are injured or sick for the trials (Bolt, Felix). It could be crappy weather. It could be someone else ruining your race, especially in the hurdles. And just because you didn't choke at USAs doesn't mean you won't at the Olympics (Lolo). Someone set the world record in an Olympic year and they won't be at the Olympics. Try explaining that to your friends in a few weeks and see if they think it makes sense. Would Jamaica leave Bolt off the team under any circumstances?
werwerewr wrote:
More proof that our system for Olympic Qualifying is set up so that we send a weaker team than we could. Not just in this event, but numerous events. Other countries obviously have less competitive teams, but they make sure their system allows them to put their best foot forward.
AMerica,
You need to sit down with Kenya and ask us what a 'wild card' means.
Can you imagine leaving out Ezekiel Kemboi (at his peak), Asbel Kiprop and David Rudisha (at his peak too).
How about Eliud Kipchoge and Faith Chepng'etich?
We are not crazy. We would never do that.
Eevn Jamaica would never leave out Usain Bolt and/or Shelly Anne (at her peak ) and Elaine Thompson....but the US does.
NOw, I know.....
DAniel Kipng'etich Komen was left out of the team but that is the exception rather than the rule.