Well I have a brain so I can see that the guy who just won a world championship is a bit better than the guy who just won an NCAA championship. In a different even.
And let's say that Murphy did "destroy" the field, it was a field without Soloman, Brazier and Symmonds. Those are three guys that most likely would have been ahead of him.
Gvl wrote:
Clayton Murphy saved Cap's @ss.
Murphy can win Gold. He is in the mold of Bucher, Borazkovsky, and that German dude that won Gold.
Racist!
Patrick Star wrote:
And let's say that Murphy did "destroy" the field, it was a field without Soloman, Brazier and Symmonds. Those are three guys that most likely would have been ahead of him.
Lol...riiiiiiight. What's up with your Murphy hate? Obviously Berian did pull up early and was laughing cus it was pretty pointless for Murphy to push that hard till the end, but I'm pretty pumped to see what Clayton is capable of in an all out race.
Waterfall start was the reason Boris didn't win. And who cares about the win when you're going to the fvcking OLYMPICS!!!
Credit to Clayton, but I'm not 100% sure if Berian knew Clayton was closing. Berian had a decent enough lead he probably didn't think he had to all out sprint to the line, it's possible he could have found another gear if he knew.
Coach Cookie wrote:
Waterfall start was the reason Boris didn't win. And who cares about the win when you're going to the fvcking OLYMPICS!!!
+10
Berian stuck battling 5 other guys to get out early, murphy got to hang out. Complete BS (nevermind the BS that got Engels in over Shaq in the first place). But doesn't matter, both go to Olympics and guaranteed there won't be any stupid f-ing waterfall start there.
Did you say it was pointless for Murphy to push until the end, to win the race? It's the Olympic trials, you idiot. If you don't think Berian was trying to win, you're clueless. He was smiling because he was happy to qualify...he wasn't smiling because he didn't try to win. I know you people are probably trolling, but Jesus, go f yourselves.
dafdasfIt wrote:
Did you say it was pointless for Murphy to push until the end, to win the race? It's the Olympic trials, you idiot. If you don't think Berian was trying to win, you're clueless. He was smiling because he was happy to qualify...he wasn't smiling because he didn't try to win. I know you people are probably trolling, but Jesus, go f yourselves.
Hey f-face, nobody said he wasn't trying to win. Now go back to your university of Phoenix homework.
Patrick Star wrote:
Well I have a brain so I can see that the guy who just won a world championship is a bit better than the guy who just won an NCAA championship. In a different even.
And let's say that Murphy did "destroy" the field, it was a field without Soloman, Brazier and Symmonds. Those are three guys that most likely would have been ahead of him.
First, congrats on being Clayton's biggest hater.
Secondly, all of your arguments are poor. He won a world championship and lost to a guy who just focused his season on a different event - yet he's better? Okay.
Soloman, Brazier, and Symmonds. Hmm pretty sure they were all there to run (Symmonds wussed out) and yet didn't qualify from the first round of prelims, lol. They are also better.
If anyone was hurt by the waterfall start it was Sowinski, who had to run the whole first turn in lane 3 or 4. Not to say that he would have made the team if they'd started in lanes, but it certainly helps explain why he faded so much in the final 100 -- a bit of a disadvantage having to run ~5-10m further than almost everyone else in the field.
geometry matters wrote:
If anyone was hurt by the waterfall start it was Sowinski, who had to run the whole first turn in lane 3 or 4. Not to say that he would have made the team if they'd started in lanes, but it certainly helps explain why he faded so much in the final 100 -- a bit of a disadvantage having to run ~5-10m further than almost everyone else in the field.
Do you not know that the outside group of 3 got to start from a line past the finish line? The waterfall start was staggered. No one had to run more than 800m.
You failed geometry, apparently, and unfortunately for you, it does indeed matter.
The record between Clayton and Boris ... Nuff said
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CGBatch wrote:
Credit to Clayton, but I'm not 100% sure if Berian knew Clayton was closing. Berian had a decent enough lead he probably didn't think he had to all out sprint to the line, it's possible he could have found another gear if he knew.
Berian was losing it the last 50m, he was run out. As for the waterfall start costing him the race. Everyone had to do it. Murphy did get cut off and bumped a lot. That big kid from Penn or wherever is a jackass the way he cut off Murphy and then intentionally ran Sowinski out and out and out in the stretch.
Face it, Murphy has whipped Berian twice this year head to head. Murphy is a ways from hitting his peak but he's has more upside than Berian but will be a bigger deal at the 1500. And when Brazier gets rolling look out.
geometry matters wrote:
If anyone was hurt by the waterfall start it was Sowinski, who had to run the whole first turn in lane 3 or 4. Not to say that he would have made the team if they'd started in lanes, but it certainly helps explain why he faded so much in the final 100 -- a bit of a disadvantage having to run ~5-10m further than almost everyone else in the field.
Donchaknow wrote:Do you not know that the outside group of 3 got to start from a line past the finish line? The waterfall start was staggered. No one had to run more than 800m.
#1-6 were on the inside group, and #7-9 were on the outside stagger. Sowinski was #6, the furthest-out guy on the inside group, probably in lane 3 or 4 (since the first 5 guys take up 2 or 3 lanes), as geometry matters suggested. So he may have run a few extra meters, from being on the outside of a waterfall start.
On the other hand, the waterfall lines are curved, which may make up for any disadvantage of this kind -- if you run a tangent directly for the rail on the inside of the curve, it may be that this distance is the same for every point on the curved starting line, in which case Sowinski ran the same distance as everyone else.
Is anyone familiar enough with track measuring and marking to comment on this?
Lets take a moment to acknowledge his beautiful girlfriend guys
Patrick Star wrote:
Well I have a brain so I can see that the guy who just won a world championship is a bit better than the guy who just won an NCAA championship. In a different even.
And let's say that Murphy did "destroy" the field, it was a field without Soloman, Brazier and Symmonds. Those are three guys that most likely would have been ahead of him.
Yeah the final was super watered down because it didn't have an injured guy with a 1:47 season best and two guys who couldn't even make it out of the prelims. So weak.
Murphy ran in lane 2 almost the entire last 200... that's an extra 5 meters, plus whatever else he had to run extra to get around people earlier in the race... lastly, Nick symmonds has had a REALLY nice career off of racing from behind... just saying...
When someone says, "Obviously Berian did pull up early and was laughing cus it was pretty pointless for Murphy to push that hard till the end," they are making it seem like Murphy trying to actually win the race, not just qualify, is pointless. Yeah, I'm sure Berian was laughing at someone for having the audacity to actually try their best, to try to win, in the Olympic trials final. The idiots on this board blow my mind. No wonder any legit runner who reads this shit is disgusted...most of you people are completely clueless.
GORUN1600 wrote:
Murphy ran in lane 2 almost the entire last 200... that's an extra 5 meters, plus whatever else he had to run extra to get around people earlier in the race... lastly, Nick symmonds has had a REALLY nice career off of racing from behind... just saying...
he also had hid stride broken early in the race. He has 1:43 low in those legs