1. Trump supporters are not normal.
2. White people who don't understand that social change requires collective sacrifice are not innocent.
3. I'm disregarding your response preemptively because you yourself are both abnormal and guilty of clinging to privileges that you don't deserve.
webby wrote:
1. Trump supporters are not normal.
2. White people who don't understand that social change requires collective sacrifice are not innocent.
3. I'm disregarding your response preemptively because you yourself are both abnormal and guilty of clinging to privileges that you don't deserve.
Disregarding my response preemptively? Because I'm Abby Normal? Clinging to my White Privilege, guns, and Bible? Oh, dat hoits. Hoits! I tell ya!
You might want to study that whole "collective sacrifice for social change" thing. It killed over 140 million people last century. Look up "break a few eggs" - Lenin.
DiscoGary wrote:
webby wrote:1. Trump supporters are not normal.
2. White people who don't understand that social change requires collective sacrifice are not innocent.
3. I'm disregarding your response preemptively because you yourself are both abnormal and guilty of clinging to privileges that you don't deserve.
Disregarding my response preemptively? Because I'm Abby Normal? Clinging to my White Privilege, guns, and Bible? Oh, dat hoits. Hoits! I tell ya!
You might want to study that whole "collective sacrifice for social change" thing. It killed over 140 million people last century. Look up "break a few eggs" - Lenin.
liberals! Grrr!
I did not say that all of Trump's supporters are not "normal".
I said Most normal people do not support him.
The bottom line here is that if the left created Trump then they succeeded in making the Democrats look good.
Because Trump looks like a fool.
Trump is making it easy for Hillary. So I guess you want Hillary to win.
L L wrote:
I did not say that all of Trump's supporters are not "normal".
I said Most normal people do not support him.
The bottom line here is that if the left created Trump then they succeeded in making the Democrats look good.
Because Trump looks like a fool.
Trump is making it easy for Hillary. So I guess you want Hillary to win.
The only thing I care about is that an Establishment Republican NOT win.
DiscoGary wrote:
It (the linked article) was written by a rabid liberal so you all should find it very satisfying. He insults the Hell out of Trump supporters.
On what planet is Tom Nichols a "rabid liberal"?
http://thefederalist.com/author/tomnichols/DiscoGary wrote:
L L wrote:I did not say that all of Trump's supporters are not "normal".
I said Most normal people do not support him.
The bottom line here is that if the left created Trump then they succeeded in making the Democrats look good.
Because Trump looks like a fool.
Trump is making it easy for Hillary. So I guess you want Hillary to win.
The only thing I care about is that an Establishment Republican NOT win.
Disco, I think there are many such as yourself who will vote for Trump because they don't want an established Republican to win. There are others who are voting for Trump because they can't stand Hillary.
Why don't you all get together and form a legitimate 3rd party rather than voting for a bumbling idiot? This is what is really needed in this country.
Monkeys typing wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:It (the linked article) was written by a rabid liberal so you all should find it very satisfying. He insults the Hell out of Trump supporters.
On what planet is Tom Nichols a "rabid liberal"?
http://thefederalist.com/author/tomnichols/
Yeah. I was wondering about that myself. Could a liberal really understand the situation so well, but he did insult Trump supporters all the way through the article, so I can guarantee plenty of red meat for the liberals. I forgot that many Republicans have become as rabid as Democrats these days. I still get caught thinking in the old Republican versus Democrat paradigm even when I'm warning others to avoid it.
Poor guy. Probably thinks we can fix Washington before we fix the PC scourge. Someone that smart should know better. I guess that article is evidence that he's thrashing his way to the truth.
What you don't get is that Trump,is working for the Dems. Check out his background: he is a close friend of the Clintons. He is a Dem plant in the GOP field. Why does you think the Republican Party is working so hard to get him out?
Weak minded people like you are playing right into our hands. Thank you!
I'm a libtard wrote:
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Why don't you all get together and form a legitimate 3rd party rather than voting for a bumbling idiot?
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Trump IS the third party candidate... operating within the structure of the Republican party. Trump will destroy the old Republican party from within, which will either lead to a reformed Republican party which can no longer take it's base for granted, or open the way for a viable third party which might actually be a real opposition party instead of a rubber stamp for Democrat policies.
THAT's what I KNOW will happen, and why I don't care if he wins the general election.
The current Republican party must be dismantled. That's the top priority. It WILL be dismantled. It's just a questions of how.
And who knows, he might win and he might make America great again! That would be a bonus, but I'm not counting on it, and I certainly won't promise anything.
But there's one thing I know WON'T happen. He won't do any damage, because Congress, the courts, the media, ALL media, big business, all of academia, Hollywood, and pop culture won't let him. Trump won't be able to get away with anything. Obama is dangerous because no one is holding him accountable. He's doing horrible things and no one is asking any questions.
So I have no fear of a Trump Presidency, and all these experts who act like it would be the end of the Republic are embarrassing themselves by displaying their lack of knowledge of the inner workings of our political machine.
osm wrote:
. That doesn't mean that the logical response to this frustration is to support a disgusting racist for president who has offered no concrete policy proposals besides deporting and banning millions of people.
You keep missing the point. Trump is not a disgusting rapist. That is how the media and his opponents potray him. In fact, he literally says things that are the opposite of racist.
Just the real facts wrote:
osm wrote:. That doesn't mean that the logical response to this frustration is to support a disgusting racist for president who has offered no concrete policy proposals besides deporting and banning millions of people.
You keep missing the point. Trump is not a disgusting rapist. That is how the media and his opponents potray him. In fact, he literally says things that are the opposite of racist.
This is the "man" who represents you.
https://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/trump-reporter.jpgAnd then there's this....
https://www.facebook.com/kristie.ellis/posts/10153818980218407
Ok, so I didn't read the article. Get ready for POD, folks.
I have yet to read a single article from either side of hatred (left and right) that actually analyzes what Trump REALLY brings to the table: Centrism. People like being on teams; they've been brainwashed into "us vs them" by our media and politicians for decades now. When both sides hate you, and the only thing they keep saying is that you're a racist- despite being in the public eye in NYC!! for 40 years without a whisper regarding such a claim, working with folks from every corner of the globe- you're obviously a major threat to them both.
So here we go...
For the Lefties-
1) He is for taxing the rich. He suggested a one-time 14% wealth tax in the past. He wants to tax the hedge fund boys more.
2) He wants to make trade more "fair" when it involves the US losing jobs to other countries. He wants as many jobs as possible here in the US.
3) He is open to attacking the continued (yes, despite the ACA) unsustainable costs of health care with ideas from both sides of the aisle: he's been in favor of some aspects of single-payer, and more recently wants to increase insurance competition across state lines.
4) He is a pseudo pro-lifer (long time pro-choicer)
5) He not anti-gay rights.
6) He is not driven by religion.
For the Righties-
1) He is for a strong military, and believes the threat of it can be used to help the US' economic interests.
2) He believes countries should have real borders, and wants to ensure that everyone here is a legal citizen of the US. He believes that we need to figure out a strategy to battle ISIS before letting any other Muslim immigrants into the country.
3) He hates PC culture.
4) He is pro-2nd amendment.
5) He is not a believer in man-made climate change.
He happens to have been right (or at least had great timing) on a few controversial occasions now. For instance, when he raised the illegal immigrant crime problem to the light, shortly afterward "Kate" was murdered by an illegal immigrant in the sanctuary city of SF... Then another one in Baltimore when an illegal killed an elderly woman. Then he suggests looking into mosque activity, which "offended" everyone (please). Well, after the Paris attacks, French authorities raided and closed 3 mosques within days. They found loads of weapons and terrorist propaganda. They have plans to investigate another 100 (this was hardly covered by the media here... Al-Jazeera covered it well though).
I work at a Fortune 100 Engineering and Manufacturing firm. Everyone is well educated. Most have masters degrees. Trump has a LOT of support there. Hillary and Sanders bring nothing to the table, and the establishment Right candidate is too stiff on social and economic issues. The media is selling the "uneducated voter" story for Trump, but his appeal is much larger than that. This is the chance for centrists- and especially center-righters- to shift what the Republican brand stands for.
A lot of the posters on this board have a very amusing understanding of politics. There are people more accomplished in every way than each one of you that are voting for Trump, and he has a MASSIVE voter base. To say that everyone who votes for him is a racist, bigot, etc is simply revealing your own misunderstanding on statistics. He is often winning the educated conservative voter base too in case any of you spent time looking at the polls. Additionally, the single group he fares worst with are Millennials, who often aren't actually paying any bills. I realize that this comment will likely be deleted due to the Brojo's hatred of Trump. Please don't get angry over me for stating the truth, I know a lot of you look like idiots after saying Trump would fade after the first week but hang in there.
Monkeys typing wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:Is there any liberal here who sees everyone as an individual as opposed to a member of some balkanized special interest group?
No. You won't find one.
The irony here is a tad heavy handed, but it did make me chuckle.
It's funny, I caught "thejeff" with the exact same "Liberals see groups while conservatives see individuals" claim. He was good enough to admit the obvious irony and have a laugh at himself.
Doubt that the Disco Man is capable of that. We'll see.
DiscoGary wrote:
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Is there any liberal here who can understand that accusing every white person of having "White Privilege" will turn a lot innocent white people who haven't enjoyed any privileges to turn against the people who promote that?
Yes, that is trivially obvious.
DiscoGary wrote:
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Is there any liberal here concerned that calling all old white Christians racist and ignorant is unfair to a majority of old white Christians?
Yes, that is trivially obvious.
DiscoGary wrote:
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Is there any liberal here who sees everyone as an individual as opposed to a member of some balkanized special interest group?
Yes, that is completely obvious.
DiscoGary wrote:
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No. You won't find one.
You just found one. Which means that you are wrong.
DiscoGary wrote:
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That's the problem, but it is a problem you will never be able to see. The people who can see the problem will support Trump, and you'll never understand why.
No. The real problem is that you are wrong as has been indisputably demonstrated here.
Try being right once in a while. You might find it refreshing.
The real Trump wrote:
And then there's this....
https://www.facebook.com/kristie.ellis/posts/10153818980218407
As much as I hate trump, and think he's a phony, with a 9.5 trillion dollar tax plan that will hurt American akin to Kansas' plan, that image/meme is FAKE. It's simply not true. However, he did say many things about telling people what they want to hear...etc
Annnnnnnnd lrc's perpetual victim goes into whining mode right on schedule.
Disco Gary is my favorite lrcer!
Just the real facts wrote:
You keep missing the point. Trump is not a disgusting rapist. That is how the media and his opponents potray him. In fact, he literally says things that are the opposite of racist.
Dr. Freud would like to thank you for this comment.
