Does aerobic training have an effect on your lactate threshold?

jag jag jag wrote:

I haven't seen a subject yet that she doesn't feel she is an expert on

....even while constantly confusing points

A little bit of schooling so far on some of these subjects

you'd think she had a phd in nutrition AND physiology AND biomechanics AND....what did I leave out jag?

And do you have a phd in any of those? As far as I know, you don't, right?

wellnow wrote:

I find the arguments of Robergs et al to be much more convincing than the rebuttals.

what contributes to the drop in pH, particularly 6.6-->6.0, if there's less hydrolysis of ATP as the pH drops?

This drop is always very sudden, whereas the drop from 7-6.6 can take place over a much long period, for that reason, I don't see a contradiction.

As for your training jag, you aren't ready for the marathon girl, you need more speed. In my opinion, you are doing too much mileage without having first developed your short distance potential.

wellnow wrote:

As for a sudden rise when you cross the supposed (non existant) lactate threshold, jag, there is no sudden rise

that is why we are able to run at paces faster than 10 mile/half marathon pace, the supposed (mythical) lactate threshold.

jag, all succesful runners DO thrive on speed. See that there World Championship Marathon victory by Catherine Ndereba in mightily oppressive conditions, she won it by being the fastest over the 26.2

You have to realize that if you want to reach your marathon potential, you are going to be very fast over shorter distances too. Even if you are not a middle distance specialist, you still need to have a very high percentage of your aerobic capacity to do your best in the marathon.

All of the different running paces contribute to your development. If you don't see this, then you have tunnel vision focus.

You need a good coach to point this out to you, because if you coach yourself, it will take you many years to figure out what you could be taught in a few months.

Renato Canova wrote:

What you explain is correct, but for how long can you continue to increase mitochondrial number and the number of capillars ? In my experience, with strong athletes but young athletes too, and also with some athlete of medium level, after about 3 years of REAL training (for example, 10 weekly sessions with a mileage of 150-180km per week, that is normal for these type of events), YOU CANNOT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF CAPILLARS and mitochondrial.

So, the real question is : because the increase of capillars is not unlimited, which type of training we have to use in order to improve our AEROBIC qualities ?

The answer is very easy : A LOT OF TRAINING IN THE AREA OF ANAEROBIC (or Lactic) THRESHOLD, at speed from 98 to 105% of the current LT.

For increasing the LT we have to give stimula to our body in 2 possible directions :

1) MORE INTENSITY, when we use the same duration (for example, if we are able to run 10 x 1000 in 3' rec. 1'30" now, after 3 months we must run 10 x 1000 in 2'55" / 2'57" with the same production ad accumulation of lactate, that means TO IMPROVE THE OBJECTIVE PERFORMANCE with the same INTERNAL LOAD)

2) MORE EXTENSION, when we use the same speed (for example, if we run 10 km in 31'40" at 3'10" pace, we go after 3 month to run 12 km in 38' at the same pace, that means more ability in removing lactate faster, in order to reduce the accumulation of lactate at the same speed).

The correct combination between these two types of stimula can help the athlete in enhancing his LT.

When you have a higher LT, you can run at the same speed with less lactate, or at higher speed with the same production and accumulation of lactate. This means that, using INTENSIVE ENDURANCE WORKOUTS, we can improve our SPEED ENDURANCE, because we can have the same INTERNAL LOAD with a faster pace. At the same time, we can improve our EXTENSIVE ENDURANCE, because we can last more long time at the same speed, reaching the same level of lactate after more km than before.

So, THE LONG CONTINUOUS RUN and LONG INTERVALS are the key for every type of improvement in middle and long distances, because are the means for enhancing the LT.

For short distances, THIS IS THE SPECIAL BASE for increasing volume and intensity of SPECIFIC TRAINING.

For middle distances (3000-10000), THIS IS SPECIFIC TRAINING, because the speed is between 98 an d 105% of the speed of the race.

For HM and Marathon, THIS IS THE SPECIAL HIGH SPEED that we must try to extend during the Specific Period.

Renato Canova wrote:

What you explain is correct, but for how long can you continue to increase mitochondrial number and the number of capillars ? In my experience, with strong athletes but young athletes too, and also with some athlete of medium level, after about 3 years of REAL training (for example, 10 weekly sessions with a mileage of 150-180km per week, that is normal for these type of events), YOU CANNOT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF CAPILLARS and mitochondrial.

So, the real question is : because the increase of capillars is not unlimited, which type of training we have to use in order to improve our AEROBIC qualities ?

The answer is very easy : A LOT OF TRAINING IN THE AREA OF ANAEROBIC (or Lactic) THRESHOLD, at speed from 98 to 105% of the current LT.

For increasing the LT we have to give stimula to our body in 2 possible directions :

1) MORE INTENSITY, when we use the same duration (for example, if we are able to run 10 x 1000 in 3' rec. 1'30" now, after 3 months we must run 10 x 1000 in 2'55" / 2'57" with the same production ad accumulation of lactate, that means TO IMPROVE THE OBJECTIVE PERFORMANCE with the same INTERNAL LOAD)

2) MORE EXTENSION, when we use the same speed (for example, if we run 10 km in 31'40" at 3'10" pace, we go after 3 month to run 12 km in 38' at the same pace, that means more ability in removing lactate faster, in order to reduce the accumulation of lactate at the same speed).

The correct combination between these two types of stimula can help the athlete in enhancing his LT.

When you have a higher LT, you can run at the same speed with less lactate, or at higher speed with the same production and accumulation of lactate. This means that, using INTENSIVE ENDURANCE WORKOUTS, we can improve our SPEED ENDURANCE, because we can have the same INTERNAL LOAD with a faster pace. At the same time, we can improve our EXTENSIVE ENDURANCE, because we can last more long time at the same speed, reaching the same level of lactate after more km than before.

So, THE LONG CONTINUOUS RUN and LONG INTERVALS are the key for every type of improvement in middle and long distances, because are the means for enhancing the LT.

For short distances, THIS IS THE SPECIAL BASE for increasing volume and intensity of SPECIFIC TRAINING.

For middle distances (3000-10000), THIS IS SPECIFIC TRAINING, because the speed is between 98 an d 105% of the speed of the race.

For HM and Marathon, THIS IS THE SPECIAL HIGH SPEED that we must try to extend during the Specific Period.

Renato Canova wrote:

What you explain is correct, but for how long can you continue to increase mitochondrial number and the number of capillars ? In my experience, with strong athletes but young athletes too, and also with some athlete of medium level, after about 3 years of REAL training (for example, 10 weekly sessions with a mileage of 150-180km per week, that is normal for these type of events), YOU CANNOT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF CAPILLARS and mitochondrial.

So, the real question is : because the increase of capillars is not unlimited, which type of training we have to use in order to improve our AEROBIC qualities ?

The answer is very easy : A LOT OF TRAINING IN THE AREA OF ANAEROBIC (or Lactic) THRESHOLD, at speed from 98 to 105% of the current LT.

For increasing the LT we have to give stimula to our body in 2 possible directions :

1) MORE INTENSITY, when we use the same duration (for example, if we are able to run 10 x 1000 in 3' rec. 1'30" now, after 3 months we must run 10 x 1000 in 2'55" / 2'57" with the same production ad accumulation of lactate, that means TO IMPROVE THE OBJECTIVE PERFORMANCE with the same INTERNAL LOAD)

2) MORE EXTENSION, when we use the same speed (for example, if we run 10 km in 31'40" at 3'10" pace, we go after 3 month to run 12 km in 38' at the same pace, that means more ability in removing lactate faster, in order to reduce the accumulation of lactate at the same speed).

The correct combination between these two types of stimula can help the athlete in enhancing his LT.

When you have a higher LT, you can run at the same speed with less lactate, or at higher speed with the same production and accumulation of lactate. This means that, using INTENSIVE ENDURANCE WORKOUTS, we can improve our SPEED ENDURANCE, because we can have the same INTERNAL LOAD with a faster pace. At the same time, we can improve our EXTENSIVE ENDURANCE, because we can last more long time at the same speed, reaching the same level of lactate after more km than before.

So, THE LONG CONTINUOUS RUN and LONG INTERVALS are the key for every type of improvement in middle and long distances, because are the means for enhancing the LT.

For short distances, THIS IS THE SPECIAL BASE for increasing volume and intensity of SPECIFIC TRAINING.

For middle distances (3000-10000), THIS IS SPECIFIC TRAINING, because the speed is between 98 an d 105% of the speed of the race.

For HM and Marathon, THIS IS THE SPECIAL HIGH SPEED that we must try to extend during the Specific Period.