Let's Crowd Source the WADA Report: My Initial 7 Takeways

bluegill wrote:

...so if they dope and get beat does that mean that others don't dope and are better or that the others are just better dopers? ...as the Velonews article puts it "...you do the math."

In cycling the times are getting slower as doping controls tighten. Don't really see that trend in track and field. Hmmm....

No, the article is saying that the Russians definitely doped and yet they aren't dominant, therefore the people that are beating them are doping also.

This was the sentiment 10-15 yrs ago with Armstrong, it just wasn't fashionable in America to say so (except for bike racers). He was winning the Tour De France over and over against people that kept testing positive and getting caught. How would you possibly beat athletes who doped consistently if you were clean? Steroids, HGH, blood packing and EPO just make too big a difference. The average fan or the man in the street will never get to try those drugs and see the difference they make sop they persist in perpetuating the idea that "he just trains REALLY HARD." We now know that every TdF Champion doped from 1996(Riis)-1997(Ullrich)-1998(Pantani)-1999-2005(Armstrong)-2006(Landis). That is 11 straight years.

The 2007-2009-2010 winner is a convicted doper but only "lost" the 2010 win. That is damning evidence. The leader in 2007 (Rasmussen) was tossed out for a missed test. Track and Field would have just as bad a record if they went after the sprinters and the distance runners this hard.

We saw this in America in the 90s with the Kenyans. People believed that they ran 10 miles THREE times per day.

Hurray for selective enforcement. As if Americans don't cheat.

flashback to 2000s wrote:

Could the IOC remove running from the Olympics?

that would be the best thing ever to happen to running. Screw the olympics.

Look how successful road racing is because the olympics don't mean shit there. Kick them out of track and track will rise again.

wejo wrote:

6) Two gold medallists in the race walk (Valeriy Borchin, Sergey Kirdyapkin) were not sanctioned for years allowing them to compete in the 2012 Olympics

I don't know a single person in the world that cares about race walking. They can dope as much as they want, I'm still not going to watch. Total waste of time.

Welp, Russia has apparently gone through the whole 323-page report and determined that it is based entirely on unverified facts, unverified sources, and conjecture. None of it happened. Classic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/russia-rejects-sports-doping-allegations-as-groundless/2015/11/10/aac4ee6e-87a1-11e5-be39-0034bb576eee_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_russiadoping-810am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Try your hardest ... wrote:

Times on the cicuit are slower and the meets are fewer, because the athletes all hide out and dope instead of competing. Many distance athletes race 5 times in an entire year. In the 60s-70s-80s they raced 40-50 times a year on all surfaces. I realize that the athletes in that era doped just as much and it helped them to compete often, but don't be naive enough to think that doping has lessened.

You're a bit wrong on this. Many of the top athletes now make more from there endorsements than they do prize money so they can be much more selective when they compete, while a lot of the top runners in the old days were racing to support themselves.

Doping is much harder to get away with today compared to them. There was absolutely no out of competition testing at all until 1989, and it wasn't until the formation of independent anti-doping agencies that the fox was no longer guarding the hen house. If you don't believe me, look at the all-time list in the women's events from the Cold War era compared to now.

Try your hardest ... wrote:

No, the article is saying that the Russians definitely doped and yet they aren't dominant, therefore the people that are beating them are doping also.

This ^^^^.

Don't know how a reader can miss that point.

T&F is filthy dirty. Stop making excuses and thinking only a few bad apples are out there.

errhhh... wrote:

This ^^^^.

Don't know how a reader can miss that point.

T&F is filthy dirty. Stop making excuses and thinking only a few bad apples are out there.

Because we aren't idiots. See Russia and the USA at the 2012 Olympics. The USA had 40 men in finals (including relays) and earned 14 medals, and had 42 women in finals and also earned 14 medals.

Russia, however, had 20 men in finals earning just 2 medals, while they had 37 women in finals earning 17 medals (now 16, with the disqualification of their discus thrower).

Do you see a difference here? Can you tell me if men or women respond more dramatically to male hormones in sports performance?

If you want to use that kind of reasoning it looks like odds are good that more American men doped, Russian men didn't , Russian women doped and fewer American women did.