Cory Cory wrote:
What's wrong with Cory though. Some pretty disappointing results of late. She's still hot though.
she ran 4:10 last year and has run 4:09 this year. before 2013 her PR was 4:12. maybe 2013 was just a fluke year for her.
Cory Cory wrote:
What's wrong with Cory though. Some pretty disappointing results of late. She's still hot though.
she ran 4:10 last year and has run 4:09 this year. before 2013 her PR was 4:12. maybe 2013 was just a fluke year for her.
reed wrote:
Cory Cory wrote:What's wrong with Cory though. Some pretty disappointing results of late. She's still hot though.
she ran 4:10 last year and has run 4:09 this year. before 2013 her PR was 4:12. maybe 2013 was just a fluke year for her.
No mention of PEDs yet?, there's a surprise.
So Efraimson turned her season around when Cook got involved. The training part is taken care of. Now she just needs to replace Hickey altogether with a coach who understands championship racing tactics...perhaps still Cook. With a 4:03 before USATF and 4:05 after there is no excuse for not making the final at USATF except for inexperienced coaching. Free ride is over Mike, time to let the professionals take over through Rio - or else there will be no Rio.
efraimson has one bad race and you think her coach needs to be fired? jeez
Next year's Olympic 1,500m squad of Simpson, Rowbury and Martinez is going to be amazing. Martinez will move up, knowing she can't outkick the top 800m stars and all three Americans will vie for a medal in Rio.
Congrats to Ms. Gallagher. She's definitely coming into her own and is a great athlete to watch moving forward. Lots of young talent on Team USA this year!
I'd like to see Martinez move up, but if she medals again at the World Championships that would work against that. She's already an 800 medalist and the US is very strong at 1500 now so to break into the medals at that distance would be very tough and giving up the distance she's been the most successful at. I don't think she'd double as I don't think she's ever done that.
Life takes many turns my friend, sit back, relax and enjoy the ride. She is 18 years old, will stumble, get up and win a medal. Hickey has not Talked with Cook since Stanford, read it in an interview. Cook has great knowledge and had great success as a coach. Hickey will be fine.
Hickey's other athlete, McKayla Fricker, 23 years old, PR's in the second round of US Championships and ran 2:00.81. Improving in one year with Hickey from 2:06.1 to the 2:00.81. He sounds like a shitty coach!
riley stops wrote:
Next year's Olympic 1,500m squad of Simpson, Rowbury and Martinez is going to be amazing. Martinez will move up, knowing she can't outkick the top 800m stars and all three Americans will vie for a medal in Rio.
Congrats to Ms. Gallagher. She's definitely coming into her own and is a great athlete to watch moving forward. Lots of young talent on Team USA this year!
Technically, martinez has outkicked Sum before, and she has a WC bronze, more than Ajee, Montano, Vessey, and Ludlow, ( granted montano has a world indoor bronze, but a world outdoor field is always tougher).
She's a great 800m runner and didn't peak to make USAs.
Kerri is on fire. Congrats to her.
Shameless plug alert:
She was interviewed on this podcast before her race in Italy:
Ep 11
And a good article this week on her in RunWashington:
http://www.runwashington.com/2015/07/07/kerri-gallagher-on-the-brink-of-the-world-championship-team/
cool kid wrote:
Technically, martinez has outkicked Sum before, and she has a WC bronze, more than Ajee, Montano, Vessey, and Ludlow, ( granted montano has a world indoor bronze, but a world outdoor field is always tougher).
She's a great 800m runner and didn't peak to make USAs.
I worry about Martinez. She's one of my favorite athletes (love how competitive and tough she is) but she seems to have reached her fastest in the 800m. I know we shouldn't be criticizing her figure and, really, she's a stunning woman, but she's also noticeably a little bit thicker than the other 800m runners who are leaner and more muscular.
I do think her best distance can be the 1500m, though. Her 800m speed won't go to waste.
Yes, Fricker was taught how to race before getting to Hickey. Huge advantage for her. Fricker also made her biggest drops after Cook's intervention this spring. Hickey is this generation's Raczko. (Although Raczko had more athletes perform well before Webb and Hickey has at least accepted a bit of a support network.)
Oregon Born wrote:
Life takes many turns my friend, sit back, relax and enjoy the ride. She is 18 years old, will stumble, get up and win a medal. Hickey has not Talked with Cook since Stanford, read it in an interview. Cook has great knowledge and had great success as a coach. Hickey will be fine.
Hickey's other athlete, McKayla Fricker, 23 years old, PR's in the second round of US Championships and ran 2:00.81. Improving in one year with Hickey from 2:06.1 to the 2:00.81. He sounds like a shitty coach!
Oregon Born wrote:
Life takes many turns my friend, sit back, relax and enjoy the ride. She is 18 years old, will stumble, get up and win a medal. Hickey has not Talked with Cook since Stanford, read it in an interview. Cook has great knowledge and had great success as a coach. Hickey will be fine.
Hickey's other athlete, McKayla Fricker, 23 years old, PR's in the second round of US Championships and ran 2:00.81. Improving in one year with Hickey from 2:06.1 to the 2:00.81. He sounds like a shitty coach!
Fricker has made an incredible series of PB's in Alexa's shadow. It'd be cool to see a few other 800/1500 female talents in the low 2:0#/upper 4:0# class join them next year.
Gallagher is a big "win" for the U.S. selection process, and of course, for Centro Sr.
Kerri wasnt full focused on professional running up until about a year and a half ago. Before then she was working/and or studying (cant remember which) most of the time and training when she could. The jumps aren't out of this world for someone like her, she dominated while she was at Fordham but never really had much chances to be pushed due to her conference and her school. (fordham is really academic focused and the coaches there make sure of that)
when she made the move to focus more on running she started having improvements pretty immediately, winning army 10 miler by a solid amount, crushing her pr in the process, and shortly after she got the support she needed with oseille and centro sr.
she's always been talented, wasnt always able to refine that talent up till recently.
and can we PLEASE change the thread title so her name is spelled right? its KERRI not kerry.
Dude Knows wrote:
she's always been talented, wasnt always able to refine that talent up till recently.
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8 years ago or whenever it was, 4:20 1500 for a HS girl was top notch, blue chip. Now of course, it is more common; in 8 years women will have to be definite sub-4:00 to make the team.
I'm going to disagree here. We have seen the high school level make a jump due to specialty coaches getting involved and not letting high school coaches ruin all their girls - and to a lesser extent guys - by their sophomore year. Salazar, Hickey, Hartman, (Frazier's coach) and others are leading the way to bringing the girls further ahead but as we have seen with Cranny, the college system still stalls them out. Until more girls skip college like they are starting to bypass high school, we will be roughly where we are at now indefinitely. While it may be more common now, those of us who have been around awhile remember lots of sub 4:20 prep girls not breaking 4:00 in their careers.In 1984 the women had two run three rounds in the 1500 in the heat of LA and we still went 1-2 at 4:00 with 3rd at 4:04. That's 30+ years of stagnation. I don't see revolution in the next 8 unless Efraimson and Cain become the rule and not the exception.
Cryosaunic Robot wrote:
Dude Knows wrote:she's always been talented, wasnt always able to refine that talent up till recently.
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8 years ago or whenever it was, 4:20 1500 for a HS girl was top notch, blue chip. Now of course, it is more common; in 8 years women will have to be definite sub-4:00 to make the team.
Sadly No wrote:
I'm going to disagree here. We have seen the high school level make a jump due to specialty coaches getting involved and not letting high school coaches ruin all their girls - and to a lesser extent guys - by their sophomore year. Salazar, Hickey, Hartman, (Frazier's coach) and others are leading the way to bringing the girls further ahead but as we have seen with Cranny, the college system still stalls them out. Until more girls skip college like they are starting to bypass high school, we will be roughly where we are at now indefinitely. While it may be more common now, those of us who have been around awhile remember lots of sub 4:20 prep girls not breaking 4:00 in their careers.
In 1984 the women had two run three rounds in the 1500 in the heat of LA and we still went 1-2 at 4:00 with 3rd at 4:04. That's 30+ years of stagnation. I don't see revolution in the next 8 unless Efraimson and Cain become the rule and not the exception.
Cryosaunic Robot wrote:8 years ago or whenever it was, 4:20 1500 for a HS girl was top notch, blue chip. Now of course, it is more common; in 8 years women will have to be definite sub-4:00 to make the team.
Yeah. That 1984 team was clean as a whistle so we should use that as the standard. Not.
I'm sorry, I forgot drugs had been eradicated from the sport since 1984. So nice we don't have to bother with all the rumors and allegations now, right?
Sadly No wrote:
I'm going to disagree here. We have seen the high school level make a jump due to specialty coaches getting involved and not letting high school coaches ruin all their girls - and to a lesser extent guys - by their sophomore year. Salazar, Hickey, Hartman, (Frazier's coach) and others are leading the way to bringing the girls further ahead but as we have seen with Cranny, the college system still stalls them out. Until more girls skip college like they are starting to bypass high school, we will be roughly where we are at now indefinitely. While it may be more common now, those of us who have been around awhile remember lots of sub 4:20 prep girls not breaking 4:00 in their careers.
In 1984 the women had two run three rounds in the 1500 in the heat of LA and we still went 1-2 at 4:00 with 3rd at 4:04. That's 30+ years of stagnation. I don't see revolution in the next 8 unless Efraimson and Cain become the rule and not the exception.
Cranny stalled out? It has been one year, let's all relax. Plenty of people take time to adjust to new coaches. If anyone stalled out this year it was Cain and she skipped the NCAA. At least Cranny made some improvements. She ran 8:58 and set big mile PRs indoors. Cain just ran a 9:07 in Europe to get third in the race and has been slower at every distance this year versus last year.
I'm sorry, remind me what place Cranny was at USATF this year. Obviously I missed her as I watched Cain leading the early laps of the final. Just a little help for you, you can't make a US team if you're not at the meet that qualifies for it. I think Cranny is an amazing runner and under a professional coach she would have run 4:05 this year. Shoot, if she had stayed with Hartman 4:05 this year. Nothing against Cranny at all. Just pointing out that a high school flash doesn't mean much unless they survive the college system. Cain has been on a World's team under a professional coach. Efraimson is still dropping time. Cranny is a great Junior runner who needs to survive an NCAA year and then hold on for another month to the Olympic Trials.
give me a break!! wrote:
Sadly No wrote:I'm going to disagree here. We have seen the high school level make a jump due to specialty coaches getting involved and not letting high school coaches ruin all their girls - and to a lesser extent guys - by their sophomore year. Salazar, Hickey, Hartman, (Frazier's coach) and others are leading the way to bringing the girls further ahead but as we have seen with Cranny, the college system still stalls them out. Until more girls skip college like they are starting to bypass high school, we will be roughly where we are at now indefinitely. While it may be more common now, those of us who have been around awhile remember lots of sub 4:20 prep girls not breaking 4:00 in their careers.
In 1984 the women had two run three rounds in the 1500 in the heat of LA and we still went 1-2 at 4:00 with 3rd at 4:04. That's 30+ years of stagnation. I don't see revolution in the next 8 unless Efraimson and Cain become the rule and not the exception.
Cranny stalled out? It has been one year, let's all relax. Plenty of people take time to adjust to new coaches. If anyone stalled out this year it was Cain and she skipped the NCAA. At least Cranny made some improvements. She ran 8:58 and set big mile PRs indoors. Cain just ran a 9:07 in Europe to get third in the race and has been slower at every distance this year versus last year.