So Saldbar, you believe Rupp took his mile drugs when he ran 3:50, and his 10k drugs the times he broken 27, but failed to take his 5k drugs for this race?
How can you honestly believe poor performance at a race between the mile and the 10k is an indicator that he's on drugs? If the drugs helped him at distance A and distance C it surely should benefit him (perhaps the most) at distance B.
Rupp is a poor tactician and always has been. He also cannot figure out the 5000m. In his silver medal race he just followed Mo and in his PR the race was perfect for him.
D Pouter wrote:
Cause he had a bad day
He got taken down
His allergy medicine will turn it around
He say he don't know
He tell me don't lie
He work at a smile but he lost some pride
He had a bad day
He say he don't mind
He got taken down but he qualified
He had a bad day
He had a bad day
well done
Subject matter: 1/10 - played out
Originality: 9/10 - I liked "the undopeable distance"
Subtlety: 1/10 - too obvious
Humor: 6/10 - might be generous
Response: 7/10 - so far
Overall: 4.8/10
Precious Roy wrote:
Did you watch the race? Rupp did all the work when the pace finally got serious. He tried to stretch out the pack and keep from having to out kick True, who showed a world class kick at the NY Grand Prix. It didn't work. True and Hill stayed with Rupp and used him to sling shot to the finish line.
Rupp has always had issues with getting tied up trying to kick on a 5k race. He is too much of a rhythm runner and has a hard time with a big kick.
So...
[quote]rupp-certified saldbar wrote:
Does he just have zero RACING acumen?
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reed wrote:
nobody's mentioned the obvious factor present...hill didn't just run a 10k.
Um maybe because of the obvious factor that it was jogged 30 seconds per mile over his PR pace.
And it didn't bother True.
maxpower wrote:
One of the main benefits of EPO is it allows the body to recover more quickly. The quicker you recover, the more often you're able to train with higher intensity and the faster you become. Instead of 2 high-intensity sessions per week, now you can do 4. And you're training runs are now at a higher level as well.
EPO doesn't just make you faster - it allows you to recover more quickly to train more often to become faster.
What is this BS!?!?? EPO does NOT help top tier athletes!!! Or is it just Kenyans that it doesn't help. I forget....
Devil Dog wrote:
So Saldbar, you believe Rupp took his mile drugs when he ran 3:50, and his 10k drugs the times he broken 27, but failed to take his 5k drugs for this race?
He's saying there are no drugs for the 5,000.
Therefore Rupp fails at it, because it is the UNDOPEABLE distance.
Plain and simple everyone that runs the 1500-10000 all look like skinny little boys...that is a fact, no disputing that. Second fact is even if you are on any sort of EPO's and running these events you will still look like a 14 year old skinny boy...that is fact number 2. Fact 3 is if you stop running and just lift you will get 10x more girls interested in you. FACT!
TJR25 wrote:
D Pouter wrote:Cause he had a bad day
He got taken down
His allergy medicine will turn it around
He say he don't know
He tell me don't lie
He work at a smile but he lost some pride
He had a bad day
He say he don't mind
He got taken down but he qualified
He had a bad day
He had a bad day
Probably the best thing I will read all day
Doubt it.
Check it:
Two peanuts walked into a bar and one was a salted. [hold mic at eye level and then drop]
dsgdfgbgfd wrote:
rupp-certified saldbar wrote:My theory is that the 1500/mile and the 10,000 are both very "dopeable" distances, with huge benefits from EPO in the 1500 and thyroid boosting in the 10,000.
Because the 5,000 falls in no-man's land between these benefits, it is harder to get the benefit with these drugs.
Claiming that the 5k and the 10k aren't massively boosted by EPO/Blood doping is the stupidest doping related thing I have read on this board.
No, actually it's pretty logical.
Oxygen consumption is more complicated than most people realize. Extra red blood cells are all well and good, but you have to have the muscle built up to demand that extra oxygen. O2 demands are far higher in middle distance than long distance, partly because there's more muscle overall to use more O2, and partly because there's more type 2 muscle lowering local pH to make O2 unload more quickly. The extra red cells also help clear acids faster. All these advantages are much less important over long distance.
Undoubtedly blood boosting should help somewhat in 5000, but not by as much as 1500.
It works for long-distance cyclists because they don't go at a steady-state pace, they alternate high-power breaks with long periods of relative rest.
Bad Wigins wrote:
dsgdfgbgfd wrote:Claiming that the 5k and the 10k aren't massively boosted by EPO/Blood doping is the stupidest doping related thing I have read on this board.
No, actually it's pretty logical.
Oxygen consumption is more complicated than most people realize. Extra red blood cells are all well and good, but you have to have the muscle built up to demand that extra oxygen. O2 demands are far higher in middle distance than long distance, partly because there's more muscle overall to use more O2, and partly because there's more type 2 muscle lowering local pH to make O2 unload more quickly. The extra red cells also help clear acids faster. All these advantages are much less important over long distance.
Undoubtedly blood boosting should help somewhat in 5000, but not by as much as 1500.
It works for long-distance cyclists because they don't go at a steady-state pace, they alternate high-power breaks with long periods of relative rest.
I knew at least some smart posters like Bad Wiggins would get this.
There is MUCH less benefit from EPO in the 5,000 than in the 1500. This is OBVIOUS since the oxygen demands are so much higher in the 1500. Have any of you ever heard of VO2 MAX?
This is why 1500 is probably the MOST DOPEABLE event. Just look at history. 3000 is also very dopeable.
Let me break it down for you.
100/200/400: Very dopeable. Obvious. All strength. Anabolics (steroids and HGH etc). 400 less dopeable than 200 less dopeable than 100.
800 is nearly undopeable since there is less to gain by increasing O2 carrying capacity, which simply isn't the limiting factor in elite 800 performance. Nothing to gain with anabolics, except perhaps faster training recovery but that isn't really the determining factor for 800m success.
1500/3000: very DOPEABLE with EPO. See above. See history books.
5000/10,000: much less dopeabe with EPO but this is where GREY AREA SUPPLEMENTATION comes into play, especially as distance get longer. (Hint: where did Salazar find his success?)
Overall, 800 and 5000 are the events where doping doesn't help as much, and clean athletes like David Rudisha and Ben True are likely to prevail. (Or at least have LESS of a disadvantage than they do against 1500/LD dopers.)
oisoisjdj wrote:
1:54.3 last 800m for Rupp, his PR is 1:50.00, he may have been able to do a 53.x last lap (off a faster last 5k in 10k race), but not off such a fast last 800, so 55.x was the best he could do.
Also, wasn't fresh for this race and you can't expect someone to be as sharp for USAs as for the Olympic/WC finals.
False.
Rupp is consistently faster than Hill/True at [400,800],1500,3000, 5000,10000, half marathon. The OP was saying he shouldn't be losing to either of those guys in any style of race. The second poster said it best - "he had a bad day."
rupp faster than those guys wrote:
Rupp is consistently faster than Hill/True at [400,800],1500,3000, 5000,10000, half marathon. The OP was saying he shouldn't be losing to either of those guys in any style of race. The second poster said it best - "he had a bad day."
By definition he is not "consistently faster" at 5000. He lost.
Because the 5000 is UNDOPEABLE.
Great job, genius. You don't use THE race in question to explain the race in question.
Name any time prior to this race where True or Hill has beaten Rupp at any event (in life?).
...that's consistently better/faster/undefeated etc.
The loss you refer to is what the thread is about.
X-Fit-Guy-The-Real-1 wrote:
Plain and simple everyone that runs the 1500-10000 all look like skinny little boys...that is a fact, no disputing that. Second fact is even if you are on any sort of EPO's and running these events you will still look like a 14 year old skinny boy...that is fact number 2. Fact 3 is if you stop running and just lift you will get 10x more girls interested in you. FACT!
Don't feel bad - you too can impress the girls and run a 23:00 5k with proper training. FACT!
D Pouter wrote:
Cause he had a bad day
He got taken down
His allergy medicine will turn it around
He say he don't know
He tell me don't lie
He work at a smile but he lost some pride
He had a bad day
He say he don't mind
He got taken down but he qualified
He had a bad day
He had a bad day
Post of the day.
This is a classic Letsrun.com thread. Ryan Hill runs a 54 second final lap to destroy Rupp. Hill is not even breathing hard at the finish. Its hot and humid conditions and who is suspected of doping? Rupp of course.
usudjksjkdh wrote:
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Remember only Rupp/Salazar/Mo/Centro are dirty, not the Gouchers (Kara- all PRs and medal under supposedly dirty program) and Schumacher (the guy hand picked to take over NOP at one point if Salazar passed) and especially not True.
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you don't know what you are talking about Jerry and Alberto do not talk to each other
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
rupp faster than those guys wrote:Rupp is consistently faster than Hill/True at [400,800],1500,3000, 5000,10000, half marathon. The OP was saying he shouldn't be losing to either of those guys in any style of race. The second poster said it best - "he had a bad day."
By definition he is not "consistently faster" at 5000. He lost.
Because the 5000 is UNDOPEABLE.
by definition you said you'd fcking leave here if you were wrong, and you've been wrong more than a few times...
And yet, here you still are. Take lying lessons from Magness, much?