How Would the US Champs 1500 be different if everyone trained/raced that event.

rojo wrote:

Are you stupid? Like totally stupid? Your comments are laughable. I normally get mad when posters belittle others and use words like stupid but I dont know what else to say.

This is projection. You disown a part of yourself and project it onto others (those "others" who call people stupid). Then, when it's convenient for you, your disowned tendency erupts into the environment. Note that you (the "civilized one") are not content to just call the person stupid... oh no, they must be "totally stupid".

Jager's PR may be 1:50 but he ran 3:32.97 off an opening 800m of 1:52 while training for the steeplechase. The OP's question assumes people like Jager train specifically, for years, for the 1500m. You can still argue that Centro "trounces" him (and others), but your argument is speculation, not fact.

Jager (sub-3:50 already) and Rupp (3:50) are both sub-3:50 quality milers when they're at their best. In other words, they're milers who can, on occasion if not regularly, compete with Centro at high-variability events such as national championships.

This is no knock on Centro, who is remarkably consistent.

I think Centro is still the class of the field, Manzano is probably still the 2nd best guy around, but Rupp and Jager are challenging for that 3rd spot with Blankenship (and Robby Andrews, apparently).

Centro is definitely still the best around, but Jager and Rupp aren't exactly slouches.

3:50.92 mile => 3:33.81 1500m and possibly slower if it were outdoor. Centrowitz ran 3:31.01 and it was a race, not a time trial set up for him. Centrowitz is a lot faster, no question.

Rojo was right by asking you a question in a earlier thread, I gave you the benefit of the doubt after your first reply, but you have removed all doubt buddy!

The 1:45.24 that Leo ran earlier this month, is near 1:44 about you!

Read my first post again about what I said about Solomon before he raced today, form, I'm an observer, I watched how he looked coming in Friday!

Here's why I disagree.

Rupp routinely wins the 10k but sometimes loses the 5k at nationals. He is olympic / wc medal class in the 10k. He's good in the 5k but not a threat to medal.

The issue with Rupp at 5k is obviously that 5k is too short for him. If 5k is too short, then 1500 is shorter.

30:45XC1978 wrote:

IMHO, RUPP would be competitive. If he worked on his 1500M kick he might not beat Centro *(remember, he has a 3:50 indoor mile and 8:07 Indoor 2-Mile) but he is strong enough to gap most USA'ers enough to beat them even with a kick not as feroucious as some of the others. Remember, anyone wanting to beat Rupp would basically have to run 3:49, maybe even faster if Rupp trained for 1500M.

People I am well aware that Rupp ran a 3:50 freaking indoor mile. I dont give a rat's ** about what he did in a time trial. Please tell me when Rupp has ever pushed the pace in a solo time trial. When he got the AR, he had a rabbit for longer than anyone in history.

I'm talking about how he'd do at USAs or any real championship 1500. Did you guys watch the 5000 today? He got blown out.

10k guys do well in rabbited miles as they are strong. 3:50 pace is only 57.5 x 4. You aren't running that fast. What was fast was Centro's last 600 the week.

Rupp has beaten Centro in a mile before at the 2013 London meet. Centro was awful - 358 and got beat by Rupp, Bayer, etc.

rojo wrote:

Are you stupid? Like totally stupid? Your comments are laughable. I normally get mad when posters belittle others and use words like stupid but I dont know what else to say.

What an amazing lack of self-control. Way to set the example for your own freakin' site. You should be at least a tad ashamed.

Jonathan Gault wrote:

Centro would still trounce everyone. Beyond that, I don't know.

I agree with this.

I could see Jager hanging in there if he dedicated himself to the 1500.

Maybe Manzano then holds off Robby Andrews (because Manzano just doesn't ever finish 4th).

I don't think Rupp changing training would actually make him better at 1500 (his PR doesn't indicate what he can do right now) and I don't think he would out-kick them.

It's hard to argue with the medals won and times posted by Centro and Manzano that the US best 1500m prospects aren't already running the 1500.

supa savage wrote:

Lets say every american runner(600-10k) trained for a 1500. What would todays results be? Jager and Rupp would most likely be in the mix.

This would be along the lines of every top American Distance Runner trained for and race at the XC Nationals and ran on the World Team.

How much money would it take to get them there?

I think in the right race on the right day Rupp or Jager could give centro a run for his money. If they raced 10 times centro might win 9 but who knows. My real curiosity wonders what one of those 800 guys could do like Cas Loxsom. Yeah, I know he just ran 3:45 but assuming he had trained for the 1500 for years and developed some strength to go under all that speed. Especially if the race went out like it did pace wise. I could see him going 1:17.xx with Centro that last 6 assuming the first 900 wasn't anything special and that he had the strength.