STUPID WEIGHTLIFTING PROGRAMS!

When your knee extends up it does so with resistance against gravity.

This isn't really true. What you are talking about here--with regard to gravity--is merely the weight of the leg itself. For sprinter weight training is important. For middle to long distant runners, it has almost no importance outside of just strengthening the body a little more and maintaining a good muscle tone. Not very complicated at all. Do what feels good without pumping and amassing too much bulk and that is about as complicated as it gets.

Well I would have hoped that one would assume that when you make a movement with resistance to gravity that there is weight involved. If there wasn't any weight involved then there wouldn't be any resistance to gravity.

Let me enlighten you catman. Go to the top of a building. Drop a weightless object and a 10 pound object. See which one will hit the ground first. Calculate the times. Again, you don't want to develop muscles that will add weight to the resistance factor.

Ah come to help wrote:

Let me enlighten you catman. Go to the top of a building. Drop a weightless object and a 10 pound object. See which one will hit the ground first. Calculate the times. Again, you don't want to develop muscles that will add weight to the resistance factor.

Please enlighten me more because I can't see how a person could possibly drop a weightless object. Have you ever tried this?

catman wrote:

Ah come to help wrote:

Let me enlighten you catman. Go to the top of a building. Drop a weightless object and a 10 pound object. See which one will hit the ground first. Calculate the times. Again, you don't want to develop muscles that will add weight to the resistance factor.

Please enlighten me more because I can't see how a person could possibly drop a weightless object. Have you ever tried this?

Exactly. The weightless object would never hit the ground. That's why I said "Calculate the times." I figured you might stay up there awhile and stop posting crazy stuff on this message board.

Ah ... since you are so damn smart and have a degree in kineseology ... you must obviously be very fast, or must have coached some very fast runners that you could name??? Or perhaps your coaching career has been thwarted by your shift manger's lack of cooperation at Taco Bell?

Ah come to help wrote:

Go to the top of a building. Drop a weightless object and a 10 pound object. See which one will hit the ground first. Calculate the times. Again, you don't want to develop muscles that will add weight to the resistance factor.

AH your intelligence never ceases to amaze me.....If you can find a "weightless" 'object' id love to see it, of course you probably meant massless because that would be the most relevant term.

Ever heard of Galileo? The ONLY thing that makes the difference in time of 2 objects falling towards the earth is the resistance by air to their surface area. Thus Aerodynamics, not weight(which is mass multiplied by gravitational constant) is the factor. His theory was, centuries later, proven when man went to the moon. The first experiment Armstrong and Aldrin did on the atmosphereless moon was to drop a lead weight and a feather. Guess what happened, they both hit the ground at the same time. Gravity is a constant force. 9.8 m/s worth to be exact on earth.

Back to your ridiculous claims of only using weights on specific muscles. I agree that you probably don't need a whole lot of shoulder shrugs, or wrist curls to be a good runner, but if weights are to be used a complete regimen is the best choice to combat injury. (that is what I believe weight work to be for most runners) if you only exercise your abs, hip flexors, row motion in your arms, and calves there would be serious deficiencies in other parts of your body which would lead to injuries. Most injuries involved in running are due to one part of the body being stronger than the other thus leading to a overcompensation which puts stress on a certain part of the body, leading to inflammation or other injury.

In your ridiculous claims for exercise you totally ignored 2 of the most important muscles for running, the quads and the back. Said Aouita attributes his and other's successes in running partly to his powerful back muscles keeping him able to stay upright and in perfect form throghout races.

To the quads: THE most injury causing problem in runners is an incorrect ratio of strength between the hamstring and the quad muscles. non-agressive stretching is one way to help this, but the best way is to make sure that each quad is the same strength, along with each respective hamstring and that a ratio of nearly 4/3 on each leg is maintained.

as the old children's song goes, the knee bone is connected to the..... everything's connected, making your whole body stronger reduces injury, not just working a few different parts.

HOWEVER, weight work is a very small factor in the gigantic picture of being a successful runner. How many big powerful african WR holders do you know? Staying healthy is one of the most important, and your weight view, AH, will do nothing but injure....

why ask for a link to someone great who uses wt. training of the kind you disagree with, and then say that it doesn't prove anything?

Also make sure you don't make the mistake of confusing resistance/strength training with weight training. Weight training falls under the umbrella of resistance/strength training but not the other way around. If you read what I wrote you can see that I'm not advocating spending tons of time in the weight room lifting weights.

overreactor you are sooo right!!!

hahahha yes. for his degree in kinesiology, he completely forgets about galileo, and the mass-independent nature of gravity, which was covered on, uh, Mr Wizard.

Also, re: lifting, in Coe and Martin's book, they delineate the complete lifting program that Sebastian used in running faster than anyone, ever. If either ah come to help or D3 coach knew the first thing about coaching / training systems, they would recall the graphic within Training Distance Runners that looks like a floor plan: each part of the system is as important as every other: without any one part, the system fails, the runner fails.

Guess who picked up on this? That's right, Said Aouita! He implemented the multi-pace system as a whole, and proceeded to run faster than anyone, ever.

So who, then, picked up on Said's training? You guessed it, El Guerrouj, who, of course, runs faster than anyone, ever.

Also, Shorter lifted religiously throughout his career, and I think it was Galloway who said this!

Ok, would someone tell me if Bob Kennady lifts with his legs? If so exactly what does he do and how many reps and sets. I go back a forth on this subject as both a coach and a runner. Our football coach is of course a big fan of lifting but he pushes sets of 10 with higher weights which I would think for 2 mile to 5km would be wrong. Give me some actual proven information not just your opinion.

Wow.