3 years ago, Rudisha was supposed to come to Ostrava and break the 1K WR there. He injured himself when preparing.
3 years ago, Rudisha was supposed to come to Ostrava and break the 1K WR there. He injured himself when preparing.
Lol.
You have just confirmed everything I have said.
1. Your exaggeration. After stating that Ngeny ran 6m extra, everyone disagreed with you and explained to you that it was only 2 or 3m.
You arrogantly ignored lots of intelligent and mathematical responses to your question. Then you come on this thread and state it was 7m on first bend. Today that has increased to 8+ m! You do not learn and make yourself a laughing stock with such fantasies. He would have to run the entire bend in lanes 3 or 4 to cover an extra 8m. Everyone posting on that thread disputed a 6 m extra run let alone 8m. You are not telling the truth.
2. I said Kiprop prefers to run more even splits and he stays back in the first 200m, covering it in 25 and bits rather than 24 flat. That is similar to how Cram run his 800s. Neither would flourish trying a 49 low first 400 like Rudisha, because they are strength based 1500 runners.
50.8/52.0 for Cram, together with his 51.7/51.5 in his Commonwealth victory represent more even split running. Cram is on record as stating he preferred even splits and that running 49 would not help him break 1:43.
Kiprop said he was looking for 1:44 and managed a 1:43 because he "felt good over last 200". That is because he is a strength runner and didn't go off too fast. Had he gone through 400 in 49 low he would likely have 'died' in the home straight as he has done on numerous occasions in the past.
You don't seem to comprehend that athletes are all individual and won't all run their best times running with a 2 sec positive split. Learn something.
3. How do you know Kiprop hasn't chased a fast time at 800? He's been in lots of fast races and run several 1:43's. Of course he runs for fast times. He doesn't go into a fast, paced Diamond League 800 thinking, "oh, I want to run a quite fast but not a really fast 800 at my limit. I think I'll purposely run a few extra metres and aim for 1:43 rather than a 1:42!"
Are you really so dense ?
Here we go wrote:
Kiprop
But Ryun in his prime would get them both
Lol. Do you (Ventolin) have to ruin every thread by mentioning Ryun?
You're not fooling anyone. You should leave a longer time between posting using an alias and then your default name, as it is pretty obvious.
posting insults is not analysis.
I have no idea why Ventolin is allowed to continue to post on this site when he posts long screeds of insults and invective. I've reported these posts but as usually Ventolin gets special protection from the moderators.
I know. I have complained before now as well. Interestingly, if you use the same tone with responses to him, then invariably they are deleted.
The insults are one thing, but the absolute nonsense that he spouts based on his own fantasies is something else completely.
Fundamentally wrote:
I know. I have complained before now as well. Interestingly, if you use the same tone with responses to him, then invariably they are deleted.
The insults are one thing, but the absolute nonsense that he spouts based on his own fantasies is something else completely.
I don't mind him being wrong, the insults just get so tiring.
Yes, I have also tried responding in kind and my postings get deleted while his stay.
How is Noah's 2:11 1k weak? Really? That's one of the strongest records out there, and he spilt 49.6 for the first 400m and held on... Who running right now could break that record? Rudisha or Kiprop couldn't break it right now and they have the best chance...
Rudisha would win at 1000 meters, Kiprop at 1200 meters.
you look at cram coe elliot
all them ran 142.
you look at ovett, and wonder why he never did, he certainly could.
you look at kiprop and see he's 2 seconds faster than that lot at 1500m and runs the 800 as prep for the mile.
so you see that 142 is no problem for kiprop. as it was for el-g. naysayers can get lost if they think elliot can go 142 and el-g cannot. end of that story.
we'll see if kiprop is in ultimate shape very soon.
if he is and we have a sup par rudisha (142 guy) then the betting favorite is kiprop at 1K for sure.
honest rudisha would tell you the same.
but both at peak, rudisha is worth 139 800m and aspel at 326 1500m then really it's a toss up.
naysayers can get lost again because we are talking a 1 second or so improvement in optimal conditions.
longjack wrote:
you look at cram coe elliot
all them ran 142.
you look at ovett, and wonder why he never did, he certainly could.
you look at kiprop and see he's 2 seconds faster than that lot at 1500m and runs the 800 as prep for the mile.
so you see that 142 is no problem for kiprop. as it was for el-g. naysayers can get lost if they think elliot can go 142 and el-g cannot. end of that story.
we'll see if kiprop is in ultimate shape very soon.
if he is and we have a sup par rudisha (142 guy) then the betting favorite is kiprop at 1K for sure.
honest rudisha would tell you the same.
but both at peak, rudisha is worth 139 800m and aspel at 326 1500m then really it's a toss up.
naysayers can get lost again because we are talking a 1 second or so improvement in optimal conditions.
Rather sloppy generalisations and inaccuracies.
Coe was. 1:41.7 guy, Cram a 1:42.8 guy and Elliott was just 0.03 faster than 1:43.0. Big difference and it's misleading to lump them all as 1:42 runners.
Eliott was predominantly an 800 runner, El G was a 1500 runner, so it does not equate that because EL G was faster at 1500 than Elliott, then he would easily be faster at half the distance. It doesn't work like that.
Kiprop is also predominantly a 1500 runner, so it's not surprising that he is not as fast over 800 as Elliott, who unfortunately never got the opportunity to run in a well paced 1500 at his best in 1990. I'd say he was capable of 3:30.
I'd say Kiprop would be no faster than Cram over 800 and the idea that he could run 800 in 1:42 "no problem" is not accurate. He's been in many well paced 800s and yet to break 1:43, so it's far from easy!
He could possibly get down to 1:42 mid- high in a perfect race for him, which would probably be around 50.5/52.0.
And Cram and Coe were both certainly capable of 3:28 flat/ low in ideal conditions, as both suffered from some horrendous pace making at key moments in their careers, which put them just a few tenths behind Kiprop's current Pb set in very good conditions with good pace and competition up to last 200.
Rudisha at his best has shown 1:40 mid 800 ability but not 1:39 yet. He has shown no form over 1000m. For that reason I'd give a peak Kiprop a slight edge over 1000m. Given a few attempts and perfect pacing to 700m, I think Kiprop could challenge Ngeny's WR, which isn't weak but was set at the height of the EPO era.
Fundamentally wrote:You have just confirmed everything I have said
nonsense
Your exaggeration. After stating that Ngeny ran 6m extra, everyone disagreed with you and explained to you that it was only 2 or 3m
no
no one offered any worthwhile analysis other than my stated 8+m - 1+m for staggered start for ~ 7m
You arrogantly ignored lots of intelligent and mathematical responses to your question
nonsense
the only mathematical respone was staggered start lessened his ~ 8+m by 1+m
Then you come on this thread and state it was 7m on first bend. Today that has increased to 8+ m!
learn to read fool
i said ~ 7m
You do not learn and make yourself a laughing stock with such fantasies
all you have offered is drivel with no analysis
He would have to run the entire bend in lanes 3 or 4 to cover an extra 8m. Everyone posting on that thread disputed a 6 m extra run let alone 8m. You are not telling the truth
utter drivel
your grasp of maths is nothing
all in lane 3 woud be ~ 7.7m
all in lane 4 woud be ~ 11.5m
he started in outer lane 4 !!!
then just inside lane 1 by end of curve
that is 8m - 1+ for staggered start = 7m
I said Kiprop prefers to run more even splits and he stays back in the first 200m, covering it in 25 and bits rather than 24 flat
more nonsense
asbel ran that 800 as a tactical race going for win NOT chasing clock
tactics which cost him 6m extra !
That is similar to how Cram run his 800s
utter drivel
cram ran just 1 fast elite-field circuit 800 at his peak in '85/'86
he +ve split 50.8 / 52.0
that is 1.2s +ve splits you fool
Neither would flourish trying a 49 low first 400 like Rudisha, because they are strength based 1500 runners.
50.8/52.0 for Cram, together with his 51.7/51.5 in his Commonwealth victory represent more even split running
drivel
he significantly +ve split his 800pb & ran ~ 5m extra on bends !
he ran a tactical race NOT a tt
he was only interested in beating cruz NOT chasing the clock
Cram is on record as stating he preferred even splits and that running 49 would not help him break 1:43
fool
every 800 guy woud like to run nice even splits because it hurts less
cram ran ~ 50.5 for 1st lap if accounting for extra distance on 2nd bend
that is already quick & it was still only a tactical effort
if he'd been chasing the clock he wouda ignored cruz & tucked in behind the pacer
he didn't & the pace was pathetic to 400
Kiprop said he was looking for 1:44 and managed a 1:43 because he "felt good over last 200". That is because he is a strength runner and didn't go off too fast
nonsense
he was racing not chasing the clock
if he was chasing the clock he wouda tucked in behind pacer NOT run dead fuuckin last to 200m
he walloped nijel who's just gone 1'42.4 with wide bend running
that indicates asbel has to be in 1'42-low shape which we already know from 1'43.3 with 6m extra on bends + pathetic start
learn something fool
no one runs 1'42-low without fantastic speed
Had he gone through 400 in 49 low he would likely have 'died' in the home straight as he has done on numerous occasions in the past
utter drivel
he's only run 3 serious 800s in his life & each one he started last
he's never chased the clock ever over 800
if he had he knows he woud have to go at least 50-flat
You don't seem to comprehend that athletes are all individual and won't all run their best times running with a 2 sec positive split. Learn something
fool
2s +ve split is template
if an elite doesn't go for it means they are not chasing the clock but racing for final position
How do you know Kiprop hasn't chased a fast time at
800?
because i've seen all 3 of his 1'43s & he started last in all of them
he was racing NOT chasing the clock
if you haven't watched the races you haven't a clue about him
He's been in lots of fast races and run several 1:43's. Of course he runs for fast times. He doesn't go into a fast, paced Diamond League 800 thinking, "oh, I want to run a quite fast but not a really fast 800 at my limit. I think I'll purposely run a few extra metres and aim for 1:43 rather than a 1:42!"
Are you really so dense ?
idiot
are you so stoopid as to believe a guy running dead fuuckin last to 200m is chasing the clock ???
you dumbness is beyond belief !
Fundamentally wrote:but the absolute nonsense that he spouts based on his own fantasies is something else completely
all you do is post drivel
nothing but nonsense
Definitely Kiprop. The question is... Could Kiprop beat Rudisha in 800 right now? Rudisha is clearly not back in peak form yet and Kiprop might be able to sneak under that 1:42.98.
Peer Mediator wrote:Rather sloppy generalisations and inaccuracies.
Coe was. 1:41.7 guy, Cram a 1:42.8 guy and Elliott was just 0.03 faster than 1:43.0. Big difference and it's misleading to lump them all as 1:42 runners
nonsense
cram's 1'42.8 was a tactical effort NOT a tt & he ran ~ 5m extra in it, meaning more like 1'42-low in a tactical run
elliott's 1'42.97 was run on fumes
his magnificent peak was in early february & his 1'42.9 much later when running off remanants of that peak
at games he looked in 1'42-mid shape at worst
Eliott was predominantly an 800 runner
nonsense
he ran 1'42.9p when a full-1500 guy
he ran his 800pb off 1500 training but no 800 in auckland
El G was a 1500 runner, so it does not equate that because EL G was faster at 1500 than Elliott, then he would easily be faster at half the distance. It doesn't work like that
utter drivel
learn fool
hicham was not a 3'29 guy he was a 3'26-flat guy
such incredible 1500s can't be run without fantastic intrinsic 800 ability
it couda been anywhere between 1'42-flat to 1'42-high
Kiprop is also predominantly a 1500 runner, so it's not surprising that he is not as fast over 800 as Elliott
drivel
he ran 1'43.3 with 6m wide on bends
that's 1'42-mid for route-1 800
his 800 ability is as good as elliott's ever was
who unfortunately never got the opportunity to run in a well paced 1500 at his best in 1990. I'd say he was capable of 3:30
utter nonsense
we've just seen 1/2 dozen guys crack 3'30 today
the last 4 coudn't carry elliott's jockstrap
try
3'28-mid
I'd say Kiprop would be no faster than Cram over 800 and the idea that he could run 800 in 1:42 "no problem" is not accurate
nonsense
if he couda stuck to kerb in his 1'43.3 he wouda gone 1'42-mid
He's been in many well paced 800s and yet to break 1:43, so it's far from easy!
drivel
he's only ever been in 3 circuit 800s when ready to challenge for win & each time he raced them NOT chasing the clock, dead fuuckin last at start
He could possibly get down to 1:42 mid- high in a perfect race for him, which would probably be around 50.5/52.0
nonsense
6m extra makes him 1'42-mid ability already
that doesn't include the tenths thrown away by being dead fuuckin last to 200
try more
1'42-low
And Cram and Coe were both certainly capable of 3:28 flat/ low in ideal conditions, as both suffered from some horrendous pace making at key moments in their careers, which put them just a few tenths behind Kiprop's current Pb set in very good conditions with good pace and competition up to last 200
drivel
he started with a suicidal 53.2, some wide bend running & passed pacer 500 out
competition until last 200 ???
only a fool coud believe asbel even knew mo was miles behind him in 2nd
asbel was in 3'26-high shape
cram/coe could only dream about that kinda clocking
I think Kiprop could challenge Ngeny's WR, which isn't weak but was set at the height of the EPO era.
nonsense
iaaf tables rate it 1'42.28
that is p!ss-weak
but that's because he ran 7m extra, suicidal 49.8 opener + 3'29.1 win in his legs from 44 hours earlier
he broke a blood-transfusion era wr where some fool even caught toxoplasmosis
ventolin^3 wrote:
Sasuke wrote:They have they same 800m (they share the WL)only nominally
asbel ran ~ 6m extra on bends
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doiVUuPhlcE+ gambolling like a freshly-whelped gelding in lane 2 on 1st homestretch, so little drafting
+ throwing way serious tenths running dead-fuuckin-last to 200m - it's "permanent" thrown away time from unenforced jogging
just the 6m extra cost him
~ 1'42.5+
the rest make it for a route-1 fast-to-bell 800 a likely
1'42-flat
as for 1k
his "perfect" 1500 may be currently 3'25-high/3'26-low ->
1'42.0 / 3'25.75 - 3'26.25 ->
46.59 - 46.74
2'10.93 - 2'11.05
capable of serious demolition of noah's p!ss-weak 2'11.9, but run off suicidal 49.8, a 3'29.1 win from 44 hours earlier crippling his legs & ~ 7m extra distance on 1st bend
Do you ever answer the question! The op said who would win not what time one of them would run. He could not handle 3:26 pace tonight so how is he running faster
Peak form for both- Rudisha has it