You can "accidentally" run into an athlete...which plenty of coaches take advantage of. Plus, all the compliance office cares about is football and basketball (if you're at a big enough school), so have at it
You can "accidentally" run into an athlete...which plenty of coaches take advantage of. Plus, all the compliance office cares about is football and basketball (if you're at a big enough school), so have at it
It's simple. Hire butch Reynolds. He has a huge name and a ton of sprinters train with him. There's no big names on staff. When recruiting against Texas a&m,Florida, Florida state etc you need names behind your coaches. Many of the big time schools have coaches that also coach professional athletes, it's hard to recruit against that. Just walking up and saying hey we are osu,run for us may work on mid level athletes but the big time kids are going to coaches who have a more proven record
Agreed about getting a big name but a big name in itself isn't going to do it. Not sure if Butch has any ability as a coach. If he does and is a good administrator, go get him OSU.
If not, how about an associate head coach at one of the premiere universities in the country who is a Columbus native, coached a long sprinter to an American record recently and is young and motivated. Coaching experience at several 3 Division schools. Would that be someone who should be considered?
Several Division I schools.....my bad.
and it was a collegiate record, not American. Doh.
I hope they retain one of the assistants as head coach. They are both great coaches and great people.
Why are people disrespecting Indiana so much?
Newsflash - Historically Indiana is one of the great all around sports programs in the country when you factor in all sports. Indiana has a very good T&F history.
Moreover we are talking about T&F coaching. I'm not going to go into it but Head coaching is really not as big of deal as sports like bball and football. There shouldn't be much of a pay difference between a head coach and quality assistant in the first place.
I admit, its a little surprising just from the standpoint that OSU should be loaded with money and it is the alma mater of Jesse Owens. but I don't think its embarrassing or a joke.
agree
Gene Smith, AD at Ohio State, is monetarily motivated to see his programs doing well:
ADs care about all the programs because they want to win that Director's cup. You only have two schools that are going to win a Football and Basketball national tournament. The cup takes into consideration overall sports so likely you need to win at many.
Hire Butch Reynolds and pay him!
I saw 4 OSU coaches at the State Meet doing their job. As many people are there, it's easy to miss seeing somebody.
While it was good to see Butch getting some love at the meet when he handed out the 1st place medal out in the 400, I couldn't help but think that he was popped for PEDs and despite his public pleas to the contrary, he would not be doing the sport or OSU any good as a member of the staff.
Yes, OSU has underachieved, but Akron and Kent's team are simply not better. I do agree that OSU's best move would be to hire a director and get the full complement of paid and volunteer assistants. They need to quit alienating the coaches in state while shoring up their national recruiting efforts. The perception around Ohio is that the flagship school does little for the sport and many are reluctant to send their kids there.
D2 Superstar wrote:
Um, isn't it a NCAA violation to be talking to athletes before the meet is complete? I've been a coach for a number of years and that seems pretty basic.
TJ wrote:I said talking to athletes and coaches, douche. I was there watching too.
Yes. Yes, it is an NCAA violation, and college coaches who do more than say (*when they're approached by a student or parent--the coaches cannot initiate the contact*), "Hi, I'm pleased to meet you. I'm sorry, I can't talk with you in this setting, but if you'd give me your phone number I'd be happy to give you a call" are in violation. Such people are bandit coaches, running bandit programs.
I'm pleased to hear that the coaches from the Ohio State University follow the rules in this respect.
The coaches,athletes,parents and parents that have their kids train with butch don't care that he got busted 20 years ago, nor do the attendees at the Tyson gay high school meet in Kentucky. Butch would be great for the program, he's personable, down to earth and I think he would be a great recruiter which we all know is the key to building a great program. Sounds crazy but I think hiring an Ohio distance legend would help as well ie Marc sylvester. Now you have the state record holder in the 800 and a former Olympian out of Ohio on the staff and somehow manage to steal jud logan from ashland. Now thats a staff. The key to building osu's program is to dominate Ohio recruiting.
NCAA d3 coaches are allowed to talk to students once they are done with their competition and released by their coaches.
NCAA sports are a joke. Therefore OSU T+F is a joke.
Completely AGREE with LRC!
Yeah, that's good thinking. 2 drug cheats and a dude who flunked out of college on your coaching staff. That would be an unmitigated disaster.
If you want to be great in the NCAA, you have to recruit all over the country and internationally as well. Don't take my word for it, ask people like Pat Henry, Mike Holloway, Dennis Shaver and Robert Johnson.
If journalists question the Ohio State AD on the matter, you bet it's embarrassing, but it's clear what OSU's athletic priorities are.
The irony is the most famous OSU athlete ever, certainly worldwide, and probably in the States as well, is a track & field athlete -- Jesse Owens.
I didn't know those guys received lifetime bans? Cause a guys flunked out of college 10 years or more ago that means he can't coach or recruit? There's only a few big time coaches like the ones you mentioned so you have to go a different route. Henry and holloway have obvious recruiting advantages being in Texas and Florida so you have to find a way to reach the premier Ohio kids. You have to think like a high schooler being recruited. 2 Olympians and a state record holder. Once again, parents and athletes don't care about drug bans in the 80s and 90s. We've already established that osu isn't going to pay the 500 grand to a million dollars for those premier coaches
Your simplistic view of this situation is not surprising. Coach Henry and Coach Holloway's advantage goes far beyond location. It starts with the fact that they have produced. That starts with assembling top notch staffs, continues with recruiting and peaks with coaching their athletes up.
Yes, Jud Logan has done all of that, but has no desire to leave a great situation in Ashland where he is the head coach. Marc Sylvester has never coached or recruited, but you want to bring him to the flagship university of the state to coach distances, most of which he's never contested? You do realize that there are many other distance races than the 800. The distance coach would also be expected to coach Cross Country and how would that work? I'll save you the time... it wouldn't. And if you think that recruits parents wouldn't have reservations about sending their kids to be coached by somebody who A) flunked out of school and B) hasn't held the same job for more than several months then you are even more delusional than your posts reveal. While Butch gets love in the sport for having pharmaceuticaly aided performances, there is much more to being a successful HC in the B1G than having been a great athlete. You don't just walk in off the street and succeed in this business, it takes experience and familiarity with NCAA and conference regulations which include the ability to recruit, manage budgets, scholarships, fund raise, event management, and building (or in OSU's case, rebuilding) relationships both in-state, nationally, and internationally. You are correct in stating that there are only so many proven upper echelon coaches and OSU is not likely to pony up the dough to lure one to Columbus. However, there are many mid-major D1 coaches who've been doing quite a bit with far less resources. At least 2 of them are already coaching in Ohio and would jump at the chance to coach at OSU-especially if OSU would be smart enough to consolidate both genders into one program under a Director of CC/Track & Field. While no body wants to see people already there losing jobs, it's clear that OSU needs to take a serious look at the current structure of the coaching staffs and make a much needed change. Perhaps with all of your sprint knowledge, you should apply..