20 POSTS AND NOBODY MENTIONED PB IS LOADED WITH HYDROGINATED OILS. MAN. MORONS YOU ARE>
20 POSTS AND NOBODY MENTIONED PB IS LOADED WITH HYDROGINATED OILS. MAN. MORONS YOU ARE>
This is just the usual broscience from the internet. Omega6 is a health benefit, not a problem. The omega6/omega3 balance has not been proven to be important. You should just get enough omega3. American Heart Association for example has a lot of information on the internet about this issue. All scientific organizations agree on this thing.
Yes, inflammation does play a role, but it doesn't mean that high LDL is not the fundamental cause of atherosclerosis. These things are not mutually exclusive. Yes, some people can eat a lot of saturated fat and have a low LDL. Most people can't without cholesterol lowering drugs. If you can, then good for you. Some people have genetic mutations that keep their LDL low no matter what they eat. These people do not have atherosclerosis. Normal levels in western countries are high levels. High cholesterol is a high risk for disease. It is not a 100% guarantee for disease. If you are lucky your plagues in your arteries never cause a clot. Low LDL is a guarantee that you do not get the plagues.
This inflammation talk on the internet is unscientific.
No according to this...
http://kimberlysnyder.net/blog/2012/10/25/peanuts-health-food-or-hazardous-to-your-health/
Look my point was HYDROGENATED OILS DEFIANTLY CAUSE ARTERIOSCLEROSIS. THAT'S A FACT.
Now we could discuss all day about saturated fats and low density LDL's. Inflammation is highly oxidative and can be chronic.
Interestingly aspirin is probably your best bet against inflammation.
I'm sad to report we live in a world where the majority don't understand most saturated fats are good for you. Real butter, coconut and olive oil, eggs, avocados, peanut butter, bacon, lean red meat...eat that shit up. Less or no grains, gluten free if possible. This isn't crossfit, this isn't paleo, it's common freaking sense.
Stick to that food group pyramid, it's got to be good, the government was behind it.
It's also sad that I have to clarify that you dont want to eat peanut butter with partially hydrogenated vegetable oil. Every human should know this.
Gnomebe wrote:
Look my point was HYDROGENATED OILS DEFIANTLY CAUSE ARTERIOSCLEROSIS. THAT'S A FACT.
Trans fat also raises LDL.
But there are also other technologies for processing fats(for example interesterification) and I think hydrogenation can probably also be done with low trans fat levels today.
BUT YES, TRANS FAT IS BAD.
Gnomebe wrote:
20 POSTS AND NOBODY MENTIONED PB IS LOADED WITH HYDROGINATED OILS. MAN. MORONS YOU ARE>
Probably because it isn't loaded with hydrogenated oils, unless you consider 3/1000 gram of trans fat to be "loaded".
http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2001/010612.htmRecurring rumors that commercial peanut butters contain trans fats--which appear to increase risk of cardiovascular disease--have no basis in fact, according to an Agricultural Research Service study.
The rumors no doubt started because small amounts of hydrogenated vegetable oils are added to commercial peanut butters--at 1 to 2 percent of total weight--to prevent the peanut oil from separating out. And the hydrogenation process can generate the formation of trans fatty acids in oils, according to Timothy H. Sanders, who leads research at ARS’ Market Quality and Handling Research Unit at Raleigh, N.C.
To see if the rumors had any validity, Sanders prepared 11 brands of peanut butter, including major store brands and “natural” brands, for analysis by a commercial laboratory. He also sent paste freshly prepared from roasted peanuts for comparison. The laboratory found no detectable trans fats in any of the samples, with a detection limit of 0.01 percent of the sample weight.
That means that a 32-gram serving of any of the 11 brands could contain from zero to a little over three-thousandths (0.0032) of a gram of trans fats without being detected. While current regulations don’t require food labels to disclose trans fat levels, they do require disclosure of saturated fat levels at or above five-tenths (0.5) of a gram. For comparison, that’s 156 times higher than this study’s detection limit for trans fats.
seriously.... wrote:
I'm sad to report we live in a world where the majority don't understand most saturated fats are good for you. Real butter, coconut and olive oil, eggs, avocados, peanut butter, bacon, lean red meat...eat that shit up. Less or no grains, gluten free if possible. This isn't crossfit, this isn't paleo, it's common freaking sense.
Whole grains are great. Gluten is a problem for a small minority of people.
Not if you're a peanut.
Jesus F. Christ people!
I'm almost afraid to bring up the significance of the LDL particle size. Small LDL is dangerous. Big puffy LDL is healthy.
AND THAT'S A SCIENTIFIC FACT LEROY!
I make sure to eat saturated fat because it IS part of a healthy diet. That being said, my saturated fat intake is probably way lower than the intake in a standard American diet James.
And too much Omega6 IS unhealthy Clyde. You want like a 1:1 ratio with Omega3. You won't get that ratio by slathering canola oil on your soy beans. Most obese scientifically illiterate Americans have a 20:1 ratio.
Oh and would you like to talk about the irrelevance of dietary cholesterol intake and the overuse of statins?!? I will BRING IT Sally.
No such thing as healthy a LDL. Sorry. Particle count matters, not the size.
No, it's not. I try to limit under 5% of calories.
Of course you should not eat too much of anything. 5-10% omega6 is healthy. Large amounts have not been proven to be unhealthy, but they are not recommended. That ratio thing is meaningless. There is no evidence to support it.
Dietary cholesterol is not irrelevant. Statins are wonder drugs.
Peanuts are affected with aflatoxins which are among the most carcinogenic substances known. So, no, peanuts and peanut butter ARE NOT healthy.
I don't care what any of you say, I love peanut butter and I eat it like it's going out of style. If it kills me, I will die with a smile on my face and a belly full of peanut butter. F the haters.
fguy1 wrote:
Whole grains are great. Gluten is a problem for a small minority of people.
Just keep saying that...fatass
The bottom line. Suppose you are the village chieftain. One day some peanut gatherers bring in some baskets of peanuts. Then a hunting party comes back with a big fat pig.
Which are you going to serve at the big feast? Will the people gather around, mouths watering, as you mash the peanuts into butter? Or as you roast the juicy fat pig over an open fire?
Thus has it been for hundreds of thousands of years. People know by instinct what is good for them. Peanuts are for when there is no meat available.
seriously.... wrote:
Real butter, coconut and olive oil, eggs, avocados, peanut butter, bacon, lean red meat...eat that shit up. Less or no grains, gluten free if possible. This isn't crossfit, this isn't paleo, it's common freaking sense.
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OK, using common sense....
Why is bacon (VERY fatty) good for you but then you specify LEAN red meats? So pig fat is good but cow fat is bad?
Please clarify.
Pork isn't red meat. Ain't learning fun?
The name brands? Hellz-no!
You have no idea what you are talking about. What people know about nutrition has changed in the last 10 years...keep up!
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