Official 2013 NCAA Cross Country Field - Who's In and Whos Out? Find Out Here

Yep, I also get

28. boise st. (pushed in by arizona state)

29. arizona state

30. iona

31. providence

as the alternative order.

Women's: We're trying to figure it out. Seems to be lots of tiebreakers needed....

Question for the experts.

Minnesota finished a point from 4th in the Midwest. Had they beaten Oklahoma, would they and ISU have gotten in?

WOMENS: Here's the deal. I can run the program and it spits out the following results list. But if you look down the list, it relies on lots of common opponents tiebreakers. And I don't know if my interpretation of the common opponents rule is the "right" one. So take it with a HUGE grain of salt.

1 michigan

2 butler

3 villanova

4 georgetown

5 iowa state

6 minnesota

7 colorado

8 new mexico

9 providence

10 dartmouth

11 florida state

12 vanderbilt

13 arkansas

14 smu

15 virginia

16 william and mary

17 arizona

18 stanford

19 michigan state

20 oregon

21 san francisco

22 washington

23 notre dame

24 syracuse

25 wisconsin

26 indiana

27 penn state

28 west virginia

29 princeton

30 cornell

31 byu

Automatically selected:

1: michigan is selected, has losses to (big10) michigan state; (prenats) oregon;

2: butler is selected, has losses to (Griak) michigan state;

3: villanova is selected, has losses to (prenats) oregon, princeton, boise state, mississippi, penn state, toledo, kentucky;

4: georgetown is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

5: iowa state is selected, has losses to (Griak) michigan state; (wisconsininvite) michigan state;

6: minnesota is selected, has losses to (big10) michigan state; (Griak) michigan state; (wisconsininvite) michigan state;

7: colorado is selected, has losses to (prenats) oregon;

8: new mexico is selected, has losses to (wisconsininvite) michigan state;

9: providence is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

10: dartmouth is selected, has losses to (wisconsininvite) michigan state;

11: florida state is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

12: vanderbilt is selected, has losses to (Griak) michigan state; (sec) texas a&m, kentucky, florida; (wisconsininvite) michigan state, washington, san francisco, syracuse, indiana, notre dame, arizona state, cornell, boston college, wisconsin, harvard;

13: arkansas is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

14: smu is selected, has losses to (prenats) oregon, princeton, boise state, mississippi, penn state, toledo, kentucky, cal poly; (notredameinvite) san francisco, byu, princeton, notre dame, bradley;

15: virginia is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

16: william and mary is selected, has losses to (prenats) oregon;

17: arizona is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

18: stanford is selected, has losses to (prenats) oregon; (pac12) washington, oregon;

Teams under consideration: michigan state (11), oregon (7), san francisco (2), notre dame (2), penn state (2), byu (1), syracuse (1), cornell (1), texas a&m (1), florida (1), weber state (0), texas (0), north carolina state (0), duke (0), west virginia (0), oklahoma state (0), southern illinois (0), alabama (0),

Others with points: princeton (3), kentucky (3), washington (2), mississippi (2), boise state (2), toledo (2), arizona state (1), bradley (1), indiana (1), wisconsin (1), harvard (1), boston college (1), cal poly (1),

19: michigan state is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

Teams under consideration: oregon (7), san francisco (2), notre dame (2), penn state (2), byu (1), syracuse (1), cornell (1), texas a&m (1), wisconsin (1), florida (1), weber state (0), texas (0), north carolina state (0), duke (0), west virginia (0), oklahoma state (0), southern illinois (0), alabama (0),

Others with points: princeton (3), kentucky (3), washington (2), mississippi (2), toledo (2), boise state (2), indiana (1), bradley (1), arizona state (1), harvard (1), boston college (1), cal poly (1),

20: oregon is selected, has losses to (Dellinger) washington; (pac12) washington;

Teams under consideration: washington (4), san francisco (2), notre dame (2), penn state (2), byu (1), syracuse (1), cornell (1), texas a&m (1), wisconsin (1), florida (1), weber state (0), texas (0), north carolina state (0), duke (0), west virginia (0), oklahoma state (0), southern illinois (0), alabama (0),

Others with points: princeton (3), kentucky (3), mississippi (2), boise state (2), toledo (2), arizona state (1), bradley (1), indiana (1), harvard (1), boston college (1), cal poly (1),

washington not selected with push (gets in later on their own)

san francisco wins head-to-head tiebreaker over notre dame (relevant meets: wisconsininvite, notredameinvite)

no head-to-head tiebreaker for san francisco and penn state (relevant meets: )

no head-to-head tiebreaker for notre dame and penn state (relevant meets: )

san francisco wins common opponents over penn state (common opponents: duke, duquesne, colorado, northern arizona, washington, southern illinois, ucla, bradley, uc davis, michigan state, texas a&m, north carolina, miami (ohio), gonzaga, columbia, portland, iowa state, santa clara, mississippi, villanova, lipscomb, cornell, smu, byu, air force, minnesota, arizona state, illinois, providence, oklahoma state, utsa, arkansas, toledo, ohio state, indiana, north dakota state, michigan, texas, georgetown, lamar, arizona, wisconsin, northwestern, utah, loyola marymount, georgia, sacramento state, vanderbilt, oregon, virginia, butler, harvard, new mexico, dartmouth, kansas state, purdue, notre dame, illinois state, syracuse, cal poly, stony brook, boston college, north carolina state, baylor, weber state, princeton, florida, kentucky, william and mary, florida state, iona, wake forest, boise state, stanford, west virginia, pepperdine, alabama, fresno state)

21: san francisco is selected, has losses to (wisconsininvite) washington; (stanfordinvite) sacramento state, loyola marymount, utah, north dakota state;

Teams under consideration: washington (5), notre dame (2), penn state (2), byu (1), syracuse (1), cornell (1), texas a&m (1), arizona state (1), wisconsin (1), florida (1), weber state (0), texas (0), north carolina state (0), duke (0), west virginia (0), oklahoma state (0), southern illinois (0), alabama (0),

Others with points: princeton (3), kentucky (3), mississippi (2), boise state (2), toledo (2), north dakota state (1), bradley (1), utah (1), indiana (1), loyola marymount (1), harvard (1), boston college (1), sacramento state (1), cal poly (1),

22: washington is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

Teams under consideration: notre dame (2), penn state (2), byu (1), syracuse (1), cornell (1), texas a&m (1), arizona state (1), wisconsin (1), florida (1), weber state (0), texas (0), uc davis (0), north carolina state (0), duke (0), west virginia (0), oklahoma state (0), southern illinois (0), alabama (0),

Others with points: princeton (3), kentucky (3), mississippi (2), toledo (2), boise state (2), utah (1), indiana (1), bradley (1), north dakota state (1), loyola marymount (1), harvard (1), boston college (1), sacramento state (1), cal poly (1),

no head-to-head tiebreaker for notre dame and penn state (relevant meets: )

notre dame wins common opponents over penn state (common opponents: duke, duquesne, colorado, northern arizona, washington, southern illinois, ucla, bradley, uc davis, michigan state, texas a&m, north carolina, miami (ohio), san francisco, portland, illinois, iowa state, mississippi, villanova, lipscomb, florida state, cornell, smu, byu, air force, minnesota, arizona state, columbia, providence, oklahoma state, utsa, arkansas, toledo, ohio state, dartmouth, texas, georgetown, lamar, arizona, wisconsin, northwestern, michigan, georgia, sacramento state, virginia, oregon, vanderbilt, butler, harvard, new mexico, indiana, kansas state, purdue, illinois state, syracuse, cal poly, stony brook, boston college, north carolina state, baylor, weber state, princeton, florida, kentucky, william and mary, wake forest, iona, boise state, stanford, west virginia, alabama, virginia tech)

23: notre dame is selected, has losses to (ACC) syracuse; (wisconsininvite) syracuse, indiana; (notredameinvite) byu, princeton;

Teams under consideration: syracuse (3), byu (2), indiana (2), penn state (2), cornell (1), texas a&m (1), arizona state (1), wisconsin (1), florida (1), weber state (0), texas (0), uc davis (0), north carolina state (0), duke (0), west virginia (0), oklahoma state (0), southern illinois (0), alabama (0),

Others with points: princeton (4), kentucky (3), mississippi (2), boise state (2), toledo (2), north dakota state (1), bradley (1), utah (1), loyola marymount (1), harvard (1), boston college (1), sacramento state (1), cal poly (1),

24: syracuse is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

Teams under consideration: byu (2), indiana (2), penn state (2), cornell (1), boston college (1), texas a&m (1), arizona state (1), wisconsin (1), florida (1), weber state (0), texas (0), uc davis (0), north carolina state (0), duke (0), west virginia (0), oklahoma state (0), southern illinois (0), alabama (0),

Others with points: princeton (4), kentucky (3), mississippi (2), toledo (2), boise state (2), utah (1), bradley (1), north dakota state (1), loyola marymount (1), harvard (1), sacramento state (1), cal poly (1),

indiana wins head-to-head tiebreaker over byu (relevant meets: wisconsininvite)

no head-to-head tiebreaker for byu and penn state (relevant meets: )

no head-to-head tiebreaker for indiana and penn state (relevant meets: paulshort, big10)

indiana wins common opponents over penn state (common opponents: duke, duquesne, colorado, northern arizona, washington, southern illinois, ucla, uc davis, michigan state, texas a&m, north carolina, miami (ohio), san francisco, portland, illinois, iowa state, mississippi, villanova, lipscomb, cornell, smu, byu, air force, minnesota, arizona state, columbia, providence, oklahoma state, princeton, arkansas, utsa, toledo, butler, dartmouth, indiana, texas, georgetown, illinois state, arizona, wisconsin, northwestern, michigan, georgia, vanderbilt, oregon, virginia, ohio state, harvard, new mexico, baylor, kansas state, purdue, notre dame, syracuse, cal poly, stony brook, boston college, north carolina state, sacramento state, weber state, lamar, stanford, florida, kentucky, william and mary, florida state, iona, wake forest, boise state, west virginia, penn state, alabama)

25: wisconsin is selected, gives no points (pushed in)

26: indiana is selected, has losses to (big10) penn state, ohio state; (paulshort) cornell, columbia;

Teams under consideration: penn state (3), byu (2), cornell (2), toledo (2), boston college (1), texas a&m (1), arizona state (1), ohio state (1), florida (1), weber state (0), texas (0), uc davis (0), north carolina state (0), duke (0), west virginia (0), oklahoma state (0), southern illinois (0), alabama (0),

Others with points: princeton (4), kentucky (3), mississippi (2), boise state (2), columbia (1), utah (1), bradley (1), north dakota state (1), loyola marymount (1), harvard (1), sacramento state (1), cal poly (1),

27: penn state is selected, has losses to (prenats) princeton, boise state, mississippi; (paulshort) cornell, columbia, harvard, west virginia;

Teams under consideration: princeton (5), cornell (3), byu (2), toledo (2), boston college (1), texas a&m (1), arizona state (1), ohio state (1), west virginia (1), florida (1), weber state (0), texas (0), uc davis (0), north carolina state (0), duke (0), oklahoma state (0), southern illinois (0), alabama (0),

Others with points: mississippi (3), kentucky (3), boise state (3), columbia (2), harvard (2), north dakota state (1), bradley (1), utah (1), loyola marymount (1), sacramento state (1), cal poly (1),

28: west virginia is selected, gives no points (pushed in)

29: princeton is selected, has losses to (ivyleague) cornell, harvard; (notredameinvite) byu;

Teams under consideration: cornell (4), byu (3), toledo (2), boston college (1), texas a&m (1), arizona state (1), ohio state (1), florida (1), weber state (0), texas (0), uc davis (0), north carolina state (0), duke (0), oklahoma state (0), southern illinois (0), alabama (0),

Others with points: mississippi (3), kentucky (3), boise state (3), harvard (3), columbia (2), north dakota state (1), bradley (1), utah (1), loyola marymount (1), sacramento state (1), cal poly (1),

30: cornell is selected, has losses to (wisconsininvite) arizona state;

Teams under consideration: byu (3), arizona state (2), boston college (1), texas a&m (1), ohio state (1), north carolina state (0), oklahoma state (0), alabama (0),

Others with points: mississippi (3), kentucky (3), boise state (3), harvard (3), columbia (2), toledo (2), utah (1), bradley (1), north dakota state (1), loyola marymount (1), sacramento state (1), cal poly (1), florida (1),

31: byu is selected, has losses to (westcoastconference) portland; (wisconsininvite) arizona state, boston college, harvard, north carolina state, uc davis, florida, texas a&m;

Men's Teams:

http://www.letsrun.com/2013/11/2013-ncaa-womens-cross-country-teams-announced-31-womens-going-big-dance/

Women's Teams:

http://www.letsrun.com/2013/11/2013-ncaa-cross-country-teams-announced-31-mens-womens-going-big-dance/

Thanks you Bo (Devils advocate)!!

midwestern roll: I think the answer is yes. i think minnesota would have gotten in ahead of arizona state and iona at no. 28 with 5 points and would have pushed iowa state in.

Here are the women's regionals and season results that we're using. Any typos/omissions?

# REGIONALS

northeast = ['providence', 'dartmouth', 'syracuse', 'cornell', 'boston college', 'harvard', 'columbia', 'iona'],

midatlantic = ['villanova', 'georgetown', 'penn state', 'west virginia', 'princeton'],

southeast = ['virginia', 'william and mary', 'north carolina state', 'duke', 'virginia tech', 'kentucky', 'north carolina', 'furman'],

south = ['florida state', 'vanderbilt', 'alabama', 'florida', 'mississippi', 'georgia'],

southcentral = ['arkansas', 'smu', 'texas a&m', 'texas'],

greatlakes = ['michigan', 'butler', 'michigan state', 'notre dame', 'wisconsin', 'indiana', 'ohio state', 'toledo'],

midwest = ['iowa state', 'minnesota', 'oklahoma state', 'southern illinois', 'kansas', 'missouri'],

# SEASON

panoramafarms = ['virginia', 'william and mary', 'eastern kentucky', 'harvard', 'mississippi', 'california', 'unc-greensboro', 'auburn', 'north carolina', 'virginia tech', 'navy', 'liberty', 'high point', 'george mason'],

cowboyjamboree = ['oklahoma state', 'kentucky', 'northern arizona', 'furman', 'texas tech', 'texas-arlington'],

stanfordinvite = ['stanford', 'sacramento state', 'loyola marymount', 'utah', 'north dakota state', 'santa clara', 'fresno state', 'pepperdine'],

Dellinger = ['washington', 'oregon', 'boise state', 'portland', 'wichita state', 'idaho', 'gonzaga'],

Greaterlouisvilleclassic = ['kentucky', 'texas a&m', 'eastern kentucky', 'louisville', 'miami (ohio)', 'tennessee', 'saint louis'],

Griak = ['arizona', 'michigan state', 'butler', 'minnesota', 'iowa state', 'vanderbilt', 'syracuse', 'north carolina state', 'grand valley state', 'arizona state', 'adams state', 'illinois state', 'georgia', 'missouri'],

notredameinvite = ['florida state', 'new mexico', 'san francisco', 'byu', 'princeton', 'notre dame', 'bradley', 'smu', 'lamar', 'duke', 'lipscomb', 'northwestern', 'ohio state', 'baylor', 'illinois'],

paulshort = ['georgetown', 'dartmouth', 'villanova', 'cornell', 'columbia', 'indiana', 'harvard', 'west virginia', 'penn state', 'alabama', 'iona', 'toledo', 'wake forest', 'duquesne'],

rimrock = ['michigan', 'kansas', 'kansas state', 'new mexico state'],

chilepepper = ['arkansas', 'loyola marymount', 'texas tech', 'central arkansas', 'north texas'],

wisconsininvite = ['arizona', 'arkansas', 'providence', 'michigan state', 'iowa state', 'new mexico', 'dartmouth', 'minnesota', 'washington', 'san francisco', 'syracuse', 'indiana', 'notre dame', 'arizona state', 'cornell', 'boston college', 'wisconsin', 'harvard', 'vanderbilt', 'north carolina state', 'uc davis', 'florida', 'texas a&m', 'byu', 'duke', 'texas', 'ucla', 'columbia', 'north carolina', 'stony brook', 'weber state', 'georgia', 'air force', 'northwestern'],

prenats = ['georgetown', 'florida state', 'butler', 'virginia', 'oregon', 'michigan', 'colorado', 'william and mary', 'stanford', 'princeton', 'boise state', 'mississippi', 'penn state', 'toledo', 'kentucky', 'villanova', 'cal poly', 'smu', 'iona', 'oklahoma state', 'utsa', 'northern arizona', 'lipscomb', 'miami (ohio)', 'ohio state', 'portland', 'illinois state', 'southern illinois', 'lamar', 'kansas state', 'baylor', 'sacramento state'],

coasttocoast =['providence', 'oregon', 'cornell', 'boston college', 'wisconsin', 'stony brook', 'new hampshire'],

pac12 = ['arizona', 'colorado', 'washington', 'oregon', 'stanford', 'arizona state', 'ucla', 'utah', 'california', 'washington state'],

big10 = ['michigan state', 'michigan', 'minnesota', 'penn state', 'ohio state', 'indiana', 'wisconsin', 'purdue', 'illinois'],

ACC = ['florida state', 'virginia', 'syracuse', 'notre dame', 'duke', 'boston college', 'north carolina state', 'virginia tech', 'north carolina', 'wake forest',],

bigeast = ['providence', 'georgetown', 'butler', 'villanova', 'xavier (ohio)', 'marquette'],

big12 = ['iowa state', 'west virginia', 'oklahoma state', 'texas', 'baylor', 'kansas state', 'kansas'],

mountainwest = ['new mexico', 'boise state', 'colorado state', 'air force', 'utah state', 'wyoming'],

sec = ['arkansas', 'texas a&m', 'kentucky', 'florida', 'vanderbilt', 'alabama', 'missouri'],

ivyleague = ['dartmouth', 'cornell', 'harvard', 'princeton', 'columbia'],

bigsky = ['weber state', 'northern arizona', 'montana state', 'sacramento state'],

westcoastconference = ['san francisco', 'portland', 'byu', 'loyola marymount', 'gonzaga'],

questionhere wrote:

midwestern roll: I think the answer is yes. i think minnesota would have gotten in ahead of arizona state and iona at no. 28 with 5 points and would have pushed iowa state in.

Thanks. That's what I thought but I wanted to get a 2nd opinion. Crazy stuff.

Yeah it\'s impossible to tell from the wording of the rule book. Seems odd that you could be 20-1 against common opponents and that be considered worse than 27-6. Also what if Arizona State\'s B team beat a common opponent\'s A team? Hard to tell if that counts as well.

Maybe the brojos have a contact at the NCAA to ask about it?

rojo wrote:

Men's Teams:

http://www.letsrun.com/2013/11/2013-ncaa-womens-cross-country-teams-announced-31-womens-going-big-dance/

Thanks you Bo (Devils advocate)!!

That's still just the women's predictions, not men's

Why is Grand Valley St listed under your "teams under consideration" section? GVSU is a DII school, would that not make any of their results, or results against them, meaningless for selection to DI nationals? Also, that they could not be a "team under consideration"?

question for devil's advocate wrote:

Why is Grand Valley St listed under your "teams under consideration" section? GVSU is a DII school, would that not make any of their results, or results against them, meaningless for selection to DI nationals? Also, that they could not be a "team under consideration"?

Yeah I was just about to say this. I assume D2 schools aren't supposed to be in here.

megan menesr wrote:

http://www.letsrun.com/2013/11/2013-ncaa-womens-cross-country-teams-announced-31-womens-going-big-dance/

That's still just the women's predictions, not men's

Actually it's the men's. The URL just says women's but we've now changed the URL to not confuse people.

Thanks for pointing this out! GVSU was in there because they are in the results at Griak.

After removing them, the results of the program don't change.

midwestern roll wrote:

Question for the experts.

Minnesota finished a point from 4th in the Midwest. Had they beaten Oklahoma, would they and ISU have gotten in?

Actually, no.

Basically Providence would push in Iona instead of them both getting in on their own. Then things are kind of thrown off after that.

midwestern roll wrote:

Question for the experts.

Minnesota finished a point from 4th in the Midwest. Had they beaten Oklahoma, would they and ISU have gotten in?

a little gift wrote:

Actually, no.

Basically Providence would push in Iona instead of them both getting in on their own. Then things are kind of thrown off after that.

Damn it. I'll never understand this.

Just curious - did Portland run its A team at Dellinger? I can't imagine them losing to Boise State any other way.

I just checked, Portland definitely ran it's B team at Dellinger and so Boise State wouldn't have that "win".

Thanks! Looks like you're right -- only 3 runners overlap -- so Dellinger should not count for Portland. Luckily, taking them out, we get the same results (only team affected is Boise State). In the scenario where Arizona State gets selected instead of Iona, they will push Boise State in anyway, so it wouldn't matter how many wins Boise State has.