Wow!
Ecxellent!
Thank you Doc.
Wow!
Ecxellent!
Thank you Doc.
J.R. wrote:
adsfadsfadsfs wrote:only a small minority of people are crazy enough to believe the drug conspiracy theories.
You must be new to Letsrun.
+1
It depends of three different factors :
1. Altitude of their place of birth and where they lived till 20 years old. Rift Valley is all in altitude, but if they are born near Nairobi (between 1500 and 1800m) the natural adaptation is very much different than for runners born in the mountain, over 3000m (for example Kapsait).
In the first case, running a HM at sea level means a difference of about 3.0 per km (so 62:00 becomes about 61:00).
In the second case, I think the difference is no higher than 2.0 per km (62:00 = 61:20).
We saw these differences among the group of the best specialists, when running at sea level or on track.
2. The difference between running at max intensity in altitude or at sea level is strictly individual. Don't believe the tables of conversion prepared by physiologists are correct.
They have the same value of the data you can find in same balance, where you can write how tall you are and there is the weight you must be (without knowing if you are long-limbed or short-limbed, if your bones are big or small, etc...). Besides, these tables are prepared looking the difference between COMPETITIONS AT SEA LEVEL AND IN ALTITUDE FOR ATHLETES LIVING AT SEA LEVEL, that doesn't have anything to share with the difference between competitions in altitude and at sea level for athletes living in altitude.
For giving a further idea, when we have a long fast run in Nangili (2200m), I consider a difference of 6.0 per km (1 minute every 10k) for the best Kenyan athletes, 3.0 for the difference of altitude, and 3.0 for the situation of the courses (rough roads with little grip, some stones, some holes, heavy training shoes) compared with a session on tarmac with racing shoes.
3. Instead, when we look at European training in Kenya, after the first period of adaptation (about 10-12 days) the difference is about 8.0 / 9.0 per km.
This difference tends to diminish after training frequently in altitude, since our body has a "memory" for everything happens, and every type of adaptation can be considered a consolidated fund for our mind and our body.
Mr Canova, could you please talk about your experience coaching Ryan Hall (what he was doing before, under your coaching, and now)?
Thank you very much
Thanks for excellent info coach Renato
Thanks again for your time and insight, Mr Canova.
The weather is looking good for tomorrow (tonight!)
I predict Wilson Kipsang is going to do it. He seems so damn confident, and it can't just be bravado. 2:03:20.
Mr. Canova,
On the front page of Letsrun today (Saturday before Berlin Marathon), Wilson Kipsang is quoted as saying:
"From the start of my training, I was focused on breaking the world record. From my side, the training has been going well, I have run 2:03.32 in training and the time is beatable."
Question: Did Wilson Kipsang actually run 2:03:32 for a full marathon in training? Or has something been lost in translation? If he did so, where and when and why did he do that?
Thanks.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Quick question for you Renato met a who Kenyan recently ran 62 mins for 1/2 at altitude in Nairobi. what do you reckon that is worth approx at sea level on fast course?
Was this in the Standard Chartered marathon? Because that is not a hard course (although it is of course at altitude).
I have the difference for well adapted athletes at 15 ish seconds per 5K. That figure is loosely based on runners data coming out of africa these past years.
Guys that are not adapted or have a high anaerobic thresh-hold will be lucky to get within 20 seconds of their 5K PR in Nairobi.You would think it would be the opposite. But guys that can run in debt at sea level are suddenly in super debt at altitude.
Ask Jim Ryun, that type of super anaerobic beast dies a horrible death at altitude. Maybe if Moorcroft brought his 13.00 to Nairobi, he'd end up with a 13:20, no fanfare and a trip to the hospital.
Excellent post Coach Canova. This should be pinned for all conspiracy theorists.
I PREDICTED KIPSANG WOULD RUN 2:03:23! I am glad Kipsang did not let me down. I have always believed in him and today he lived upto his billing. Canova is a great coach and I respect him. Though his prediction was of no WR, he still has my respects in the work he has done with these athletes and remember he predicted before that Kipsang among others are able to better Makau's world record. So trust him, he knows what he is talking about. Congratulations today is for Kipsang for coming back after some bad pace work especially in the first half. Kipchoge did a commendable job of holding it up and almost breaking 2:04! Geoffrey Kipsang on the other hand ran aggressively and forgot to save the last bullet to kill the main aggressor(race). He will one day get it if he practises some patience
Calgary - You nailed that one!
Kipsang is 31.
The main difference between Kenyan/Ethiopian runners compared to westerners is that they believe in themselves.
Americans and Europeans are beaten mentally before the gun goes off.
Calgary wrote:
... That said, I think Kipsang will post a very good time on Sunday. I predict a WR time of 2:03:23!
That's impressive. Well done.
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Calgary wrote:... That said, I think Kipsang will post a very good time on Sunday. I predict a WR time of 2:03:23!
That's impressive. Well done.
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If this was a contest with good bucks, I would be e zillionaire hahaha! Letsrun needs to give me something. In 2011 before London marathon, I predicted a time of 2:04:38. That was no one had ever broken 2:05:10 in London. Of course I missed that one but was just 2 seconds to call. Kipsang this morning was in better shape than what he ran, and maybe would have run close to what Mutai ran in Boston 2011. The problem was pacing, where they hit halfway more than 10seconds faster than requested. They slowed down later hitting 25km and 30km slower than requested. But I think Geoffrey Kipsang did help by pushing to try to drop Wilson and Kipchoge somewhere around 35km. Of course Wilson stuck with him and would use that as a momentum to the WR while G. Kipsang hit the "wall". Glad it is over for Wilson because many skeptics out here only think they dopped before for them to run those good times. Guess what? With the bio passport, Kipsang is running faster! Geoffrey has been plagued by injuries in the last two years, I hope he manages to reinstall himself as king again in NY come November. He was and is legit.
Singler wrote:
Mr Canova, could you please talk about your experience coaching Ryan Hall (what he was doing before, under your coaching, and now)?
Thank you very much
This is a question that has been asked many times and yet it has never been answered. I can only assume it is because Ryan and Renato were not a good fit and Renato does not feel comfortable saying anything bad about Ryan publicly.
Well, this does throw a monkey wrench for the 'East Africans are doppers' and 'biopassports vs reduced times' theorists. I guess the conspiracy theory handbook says to move to the next stem, which is that East Africans are using a yet unrecognized compound and not the usual suspects like EPO and common steroids.
You done good, son. I went with 2:03:20 a few posts back. We rock.
Calgary wrote:
I PREDICTED KIPSANG WOULD RUN 2:03:23! I am glad Kipsang did not let me down. I have always believed in him and today he lived upto his billing. Canova is a great coach and I respect him. Though his prediction was of no WR, he still has my respects in the work he has done with these athletes and remember he predicted before that Kipsang among others are able to better Makau's world record. So trust him, he knows what he is talking about. Congratulations today is for Kipsang for coming back after some bad pace work especially in the first half. Kipchoge did a commendable job of holding it up and almost breaking 2:04! Geoffrey Kipsang on the other hand ran aggressively and forgot to save the last bullet to kill the main aggressor(race). He will one day get it if he practises some patience
Good job on the prediction guys!!! I'll give you guys credit, but don't expect many others on this website to do it also. You would only get feedback by most of them if you were terribly wrong.