AR = Area Record, typically
AR = Area Record, typically
Oh Yea wrote:
Fastest time we've seen in a very long time and we know how the others did it. Anything new here?
Actually, you don't know "how the others did it". Nor do you know about Kiprop.
I might take up on a bet that he's clean since this was a marginal gain for him, and he was always on the small list potential world beater from early career. Doesn't prove he is clean, but hey I have to have some pathetic hope left in sports.
Sad to say but 12.9 100m, whatever the excuses 3:28 1500m = EPO
I would have thought Kiprop was clean but he has one thing my wife noticed about some of the sprinters they look like people do who are on recreational drugs
The sport is fecked
Because people on here can be pretty stupid I have a hard time weeding out sarcasm so I will pretend you are missing the fact he is not an american.
i am curious wrote:
LR has AR next to his name...wtf?
Goodness sakes, Americans, everything is not about you!
AR = area record
Oh Yea wrote:[/b
Webb's best 1500 was 3:30 (just before the 3:46) at the zenith of his career. So Kiprop is legitimately 3 seconds faster? I'm just not believing it.
Webb has never really strung together more than 1-2 good consecutive years so he likely never reached his 1500 potential.
And regardless I would have no problem believing someone was 3 seconds faster than someone else.
Emil C wrote:
killarney wrote:Given what NativeSon and Renato Canova have posted I don't think so.
Yeah, the two biggest apologists for Kenyan doping I've ever seen.
At least no one's gonna use the tired old "freak of nature" excuse here.
Oh wait, it happened - third post.
Dude is doped to the dorsals.
Yes, the only clean runners were white guys like Cram, Ovett, and Coe, right?
Kiprop may or may not be doped. BUT.....
he is as talented a miler as we have ever seen
* World JR X-C champ at age 17 +
* 1:43.1 800 at age 19 =
At least 3:27 ability, probably better. And no, you don't need a damn calculator to figure that out.
He's only finally running to his potential. That's all. He was pretty lazy for years.
killarney wrote:
i am curious wrote:LR has AR next to his name...wtf?
Goodness sakes, Americans, everything is not about you!
AR = area record
Given that, being an American track fan, one sees "AR" to mean "American record" very often, and almost never sees "area record", it is perfectly understandable. I mean, if Cam Levins had run a 3:51 mile two years ago and someone in Calgary saw "CR" by his name and thought, "that isn't a Canadian record!" that would be understandable too.
I believe that Kiprop just ran the clean World Record. I'm not saying that I don't think he's suspicious, I just want to be able to root for someone and I've been rooting for that goofy looking mother fvcker for a long time.
Giant Johnson wrote:
I believe that Kiprop just ran the clean World Record. I'm not saying that I don't think he's suspicious, I just want to be able to root for someone and I've been rooting for that goofy looking mother fvcker for a long time.
Why not root for Centro?
Giant Johnson wrote:
I believe that Kiprop just ran the clean World Record. I'm not saying that I don't think he's suspicious, I just want to be able to root for someone and I've been rooting for that goofy looking mother fvcker for a long time.
So you find it improbable that El G ran less than two seconds faster?
So who do you guys think is the fastest clean guy? I'd really like to know.
Conservative Hindu Dentist wrote:
So you find it improbable that El G ran less than two seconds faster?
It's not about that.
It's about El G dominating the EPO era and being a moroccan and having braces (like carl lewis, lashinda demus, bernard lagat, etc)
regardless of blood doping .
getting ever harder to do with biological passport.
where is the extra speed coming from in the
longer distances .from 800m up .
starting to think is exact same thing as sprints !!!
.same formula.
various 800m times , rupp and farah last year and
now obviously only matter of time before other kenyans
get on the protocol.
speed was the difference in this race ,
and heard that some specific A.R drugs also can lead to vast increase in endurance making the need to blood dope or
other methods unnessary ,if suffer in that department .
which many kenyans obviously dont .but rupp ,farah different matter .
and for that part long distance runners usually suffer
in hormonal department leading to general speed problems
and this can gaurantee that this doesnt happen .
good picture of kenyan where flexing the muscles that
does have and the definition of them reminds me of
sprinters and when rupp peaked before olympics last year .
your all bullshiting about added benefit of longer stride length on another forum
and now seeing it before very eyes in this event .
many ways to a fast time in these events ,if epo and high
hemocrit is out then A.R drugs are in .
And
starting to think the difference between rupp and farah is that rupp just doesnt respond to this ped aswell.
or will see at worlds if afew weeks cycle and the speed
will start to reappear when needs it .
Oh Yea wrote:
Fastest time we've seen in a very long time and we know how the others did it. Anything new here?
Not that I'm not extremely suspicious...but if there was any runner I could ever imagine running that time clean it would be Kiprop. He has almost the perfect litany of traits that one would list when thinking of an ideal build for distance running.
botbanned wrote:
No one in track is clean, esp Salazars group
Wrong, especially Salazar's group is clean.
Alan Webb was not a clean athlete. His whole career fits the trajectory of the doper. He ran very fast times on dope, early on in his career as his blood levels were being monitored by his MD father to ensure he had a high crit but not too high, along with the test and possible other drugs like amicar and thyroid meds he was receiving and now off the drugs, while still training hard, we see what he is really capable of - 400 miles and 13:45.
i doubt Kiprop is a doper. he is just better genetically like most african runners are. it's a fact that everyone except americans get. WE ARE THE DOPERS not them.
Adlerblick wrote:
Alan Webb was not a clean athlete. His whole career fits the trajectory of the doper. He ran very fast times on dope, early on in his career as his blood levels were being monitored by his MD father to ensure he had a high crit but not too high, along with the test and possible other drugs like amicar and thyroid meds he was receiving and now off the drugs, while still training hard, we see what he is really capable of - 400 miles and 13:45.
i doubt Kiprop is a doper. he is just better genetically like most african runners are. it's a fact that everyone except americans get. WE ARE THE DOPERS not them.
The last paragraph is hopefully an irony?
I namely wonder, why these "genetically better" freaks couldn't get under 3:32 before the advance of EPO.
Sport physiologist wrote:
I namely wonder, why these "genetically better" freaks couldn't get under 3:32 before the advance of EPO.
Why couldn't anyone break 3:40 until the availability of steroids? Or a 3:50 mile until blood doping was en vogue?