Ryan Hall PRs at 3K? (en route in a HM)

Atoms, amino acids, etc, are not "nothing".

In any case, I don't have a problem with Hall and don't see what this has to do with a 3k split.

You guys are both spinning your wheels. Why argue? Mathematics...may the original science starts out with tautologies or 'truths' and then builds theory around what is known to be universally true. So, the same could be true for 'God'...that it just was. Even so, it is a truly silly debate as divine experience tends to be referential and to 'prove' something in science it needs universal given certain conditions. For that matter, many things are not proven, but merely strongly supported. So both sides are moot.

tony soprano wrote:

Right. So, God didn't create the earth? The earth magically created myriad complex life forms all on its own? There's a God. Get over it.

Sorry, science dictates that life cannot spring forth from nothing. By the way, God created science so I think He knows how it works.

So, how did god come into existence?

No one knows obviously. You can ask Him one day.

plasserrrsby wrote:

gebresmashyogirl wrote:

Did his imaginary sky wizard give him this split? Guy's a joke.

Right. So, God didn't create the earth? The earth magically created myriad complex life forms all on its own? There's a God. Get over it.

lol. Just perfect.

No one knows obviously. You can ask Him one day.

What evidence do you have that anyone has ever met him?

Is it common for Hall to race so frequently after such a small amount of training?

tony soprano wrote:

No one knows obviously. You can ask Him one day.

What evidence do you have that anyone has ever met him?

Well Jesus raised himself from the dead and hundreds witnessed it. Jesus said he made the earth, so that lends some credibility to the notion.

Jesus was not the Messiah, he was just a very naughty boy.

It's funny to me that some people talk about the existence of a higher power so sardonically- just comes across as insecurity to most. I'm not refuting the idea of evolution. Most people won't. But no matter how small you break it down, there had to be a beginning. So sorry for you to realize that all those things you did with your door closed will come back to haunt you :)

plasserrrsby wrote:

Right. So, God didn't create the earth? The earth magically created myriad complex life forms all on its own? There's a God. Get over it.

You might want to ask Stephen Hawking about that.

Given the facts that almost all workable contemporary models of the universe require a beginning, there is too little entropy in the universe for it to have been "eternally bouncing" (supporting the idea further that past time is finite), and the infinitesimally small chances of any possible universe having the all fine-tuning of physical constants necessary for anthropic conditions to arise, it would seem that some sort of uncreated creator or designer is at best probable, and at worst somewhat necessary to fully explain any system of the universe.

Also, how about Hall? That kind of time at altitude is pretty encouraging considering his recent past, no?

So you appeal to the authority of a man who can't make himself walk, about the existence of a life creator. Brilliant.

And no, the concepts of spontaneous genesis of matter and energy from nothing, life from non life, as well as increasing the genentic code are not based on factual science as there is no observable evidence to support any of them. They are believed to have happened because most in the scientific community choose to disallow using God as an explanation (somewhat in an effort to avoid explaining the explainable with lazy and ignorant superstition, and somewhat due to various prejudices); however denying the plausibility of a God as an explanation is itself an unscientific step.

The easy answer is that God did not come into existence - in fact He answered this question over 3000 years ago when Moses asked Him who should he tell has sent him - the response was "I AM" (loose translation). There is no beginning to God - (in fact by definition He is the uncreated creator to all things). It is only logical that God would be uncreated and have no beginning - otherwise if we use induction we could say that God came from a bigger god, who himself came from another god and so forth until you arrive at the realization that the infinite process leads to just one God/creator.

Also there is nothing illogical about one who lives outside of the universe not being confined by the laws of our universe such as "cause and effect" in fact it is quite hilarious that a person would argue against a god using the idea of cause and effect when in reality that is what completely undermines the credibility of a universe apart from a god because guess what that is the problem with your belief namely: "where did all this stuff come from originally?". Possibibly the epotime of ignorance - ignoring the flaw in your own theory and claiming it exists in a theory that doesn't have it.

I clicked on this thread because I thought it was about Ryan Hall only to see that about 98% of it is really a debate on the existence of God. Interesting...

plasserrrsby wrote:

Right. So, God didn't create the earth? The earth magically created myriad complex life forms all on its own? There's a God. Get over it.

Adults can't be this stupid, can they? This has gotta be some advanced form of trolling. Any adult capable of paying an internet bill couldn't possibly think this way.

As for Hall, sounds like a fun half. Good luck on the road to recovery.

10/10

Troll thread of the week

Montesquieu wrote:

Seek and ye shall find:

https://twitter.com/ryanhall3

The Informant wrote:

Is there any proof to this? Any video from the race or anyone there watching?

Montesquieu I could post something on my Facebook page about a recent race and say something similar. I want to see a split, pic, or video proof of him going through that fast.

I'm wondering if this was the planned strategy for his race to just have to gut it out after such a hard effort at the start to simulate what he will feel in other halfs and fulls against the world's best.

The Informant wrote:

Montesquieu wrote:

Seek and ye shall find:

https://twitter.com/ryanhall3

Montesquieu I could post something on my Facebook page about a recent race and say something similar. I want to see a split, pic, or video proof of him going through that fast.

I'm wondering if this was the planned strategy for his race to just have to gut it out after such a hard effort at the start to simulate what he will feel in other halfs and fulls against the world's best.

Seriously, 7:54 is seriously, seriously fast. That's 8:28-8:29 two mile pace, ON ROAD, AT MILD ATTITUDE, EN ROUTE TO A 1:04 HALF, OFF SIX WEEKS OF TRAINING. Canova must be working his magic on Hall if he really did 7:54 en route, because that is absolutely spectacular, 13:20 pace for 5000 meters on road(to his credit, he did go through 5000 meters in ~13:41, but a more realistic split for 13:41 woulda been 8:04, not 7:54). I don't think Hall coulda run that flat out on a track six months ago. You guys aren't understanding how fast 7:54 is. Either way, props to him..

Having a healthy Hall in the mix definitely makes US marathoning more interesting, so it's good to see him getting fit.

I also like that he's run a couple of races in the past few weeks, even if they were sort of random races. There's something to be said for just getting out there and mixing it up. Maybe picking up some wins in smaller races will stoke the flame some more.

Pretty sure I do understand how fast it is, and that's why it seems extremely unlikely that it happened.