Andrew Wheating 1:50.75 season opener

Bad Wigins wrote:

Wheating is too skinny. He needs to put on 10 or 15 pounds and be the next Juantorena.

At 6'5 and 200lbs he definitely wouldn't have to be scared of running closer to the front of the pack

someone had to do it wrote:

Optimus wrote:

You're right. You never see Kenyans and Ethiopians running world class times all year.

O wait...

Why don't you tell me how Kiprop & Kiplagat did in London after running 3:29 in May?

Exactly. He just needs to gradually bring it down. He can be a lot faster in 6 weeks. In 10 weeks he could look much better. It's just good to see him healthy. Just stay healthy.

Kiplagat was injured im sure nobody here would say Meritts 44.12 in the trials screwed him up for london rather his legs did

Gain Weight wrote:

He also ran it in racing flats according to this picture of him racing:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151551277449161&set=pb.23136469160.-2207520000.1365958382&type=3&theater

Nice yellow compression socks too... Just say'n.

Is it just me or does Wheating look a bit bulkier up top (wouldn't surprise me with all the swimming)

someone had to do it wrote:

Optimus wrote:

You're right. You never see Kenyans and Ethiopians running world class times all year.

O wait...

Why don't you tell me how Kiprop & Kiplagat did in London after running 3:29 in May?

Why don't you tell me how Rudisha did in London after running 1:41 in early June?

How about how Bekele did running 26:25 at Pre 2 months before the Olympics?

A 1:50 800 is not a world-class times, esp from someone who is a worldclass runner. He thought he was in decent shape that why he ran the race, otherwise he would keep training. From a 1:44 runner, such a slow time raises the specter of PED use. He might be cycling off and is not on his PEDs and wanted to test himself. That's what such a slow time tells me. Slow 800 for a 1:44 guy is maybe 1:47-148 max.

Ryunrules wrote:

A 1:50 800 is not a world-class times, esp from someone who is a worldclass runner. He thought he was in decent shape that why he ran the race, otherwise he would keep training. From a 1:44 runner, such a slow time raises the specter of PED use. He might be cycling off and is not on his PEDs and wanted to test himself. That's what such a slow time tells me. Slow 800 for a 1:44 guy is maybe 1:47-148 max.

Lol. Yes, he ran a slow time so he must be on drugs!

i didn't say he was on drugs and ran a 1:50. I said that for a 1:44 guy to run almost 1:51 (1:50.75), this does not make sense at all. He ran a good HS time in a race when he's an Olympic runner. This suggests his 1:44 is on PEDs and his 1:50 might be his true optimal time without PEDs. He might be cycling off right now and want to see if he could compete.

Between 2009 and 2011, the USADA Athlete Test History database lists ZERO drug test results for Andrew Wheating. This includes the entire out-of-competition and in-competition period before he ran 3:30.9 at Monaco in 2010. Rachid Ramzi couldn't do it better.

Wouldn't he be running his fastest right after cycling off of the PEDs?

What's with the idea that you can only race when you're fully in shape? Steve Scott used to race himself into shape all the time and he did pretty good

Ryunrules wrote:

A 1:50 800 is not a world-class times, esp from someone who is a worldclass runner. He thought he was in decent shape that why he ran the race, otherwise he would keep training. From a 1:44 runner, such a slow time raises the specter of PED use. He might be cycling off and is not on his PEDs and wanted to test himself. That's what such a slow time tells me. Slow 800 for a 1:44 guy is maybe 1:47-148 max.

You have no idea how talented Andrew is. Get out of here with this trollish BS. He has made 2 Olympic teams so far, is STILL the 4th fastest American over 1500m (that's all-time, remember?) and will continue to surprise the people who somehow think that what he has achieved, has been done by luck or gear.

coach d wrote:

Between 2009 and 2011, the USADA Athlete Test History database lists ZERO drug test results for Andrew Wheating. This includes the entire out-of-competition and in-competition period before he ran 3:30.9 at Monaco in 2010. Rachid Ramzi couldn't do it better.

Rachid Ramzi couldn't do it better.

So you're implying Wheating not being tested is because he avoided the testers? Isn't it their job to go test people? Wheating doesn't go to training camps, altitude sites, etc.. Unless he is seeking medical treatment for his leg injuries you can find him at his home near Hayward Field.

Ryunrules wrote:

A 1:50 800 is not a world-class times, esp from someone who is a worldclass runner. He thought he was in decent shape that why he ran the race, otherwise he would keep training. From a 1:44 runner, such a slow time raises the specter of PED use. He might be cycling off and is not on his PEDs and wanted to test himself. That's what such a slow time tells me. Slow 800 for a 1:44 guy is maybe 1:47-148 max.

He's been injured and is finally healthy and is just getting his feet wet. He won, and knew he was racing 5mins later. All this shows is he wanted to get out there and run an easy race to get back into it.

right and Lance Armstrong, Marion Jones had all kinds of positive drug tests? And Michael Phelps who has classic signs of growth hormone abuse on his face and has won over a dozen gold medals in one of the most drugged-up sports is not on PEDs? Give me a break.

1:50 is a time that should raise alot of questions, just like Webb ran 3:53 as a HS senior and can barely break 4:00 now. These are all the patterns of hard-core PED users. They have stellar performances and then demonstrate awful, awful times because they cycle off gear.

PED use is much bigger part of the Western athletes arsenal than these Africans - that's the truth. I'm a Western athlete,everytime someone on my track team had a breakthrough we suspected PEDs, let's face it. We invented PEDs to help us and we are still creating new ones and new indications - look at thyroid hormones. Let's face it, Africans are more gifted runners. We need the PEDs more than them.

Don't believe Africans are more gifted? Look at the Paris Marathon list of finishers or for that matter any distance race of note. Sorry.

Ryunrules wrote:

1:50 is a time that should raise alot of questions, just like Webb ran 3:53 as a HS senior and can barely break 4:00 now. These are all the patterns of hard-core PED users. They have stellar performances and then demonstrate awful, awful times because they cycle off gear.

Did you stay up all night just to troll? How sad your life must be. You can change and be a happy person but it's going to take some effort. Good luck.

You are incredible. Really. Not going to argue with you but will make one last post.

Wheating is a talent. He had no idea he could run until his senior year at Kimball Union Academy, 7 years ago. He is the type of talent Jim Ryun was. Please tell me Jim Ryun used PEDs. I actually have been in the company of both Ryun and Wheating. Both are special people.

Your Ryunrules handle is an insult to Jim. And your comments about Andy, the same.

I would not be surprised if Ryun was using testosterone when he was running. German soldiers were using it in WW II for performance enhancement and it was certainly widely used in athletics when Ryun was breaking records. Paavo Nurmi was on it in the 1930s, back then it was extracted from animal testicles.

I'm almost certain Webb was on something. His father is a doctor, he would know how to read the scientific literature and could obtain blood levels of epi/test, epo, etc to make sure his son passed. Just as easily, he could have helped Webb bank his blood. How Webb is not even as good as he was a high schooler is case in point.

I'm almost certain Wheating is on something. The fact that he came from nowhere and become a standout so late in HS further supports this. Running 1:51 after making 2 Olympic teams? come on. Right, only the Moroccans and Kenyans are on drugs, people who are genetically more gifted at running, and our boys, whose dads invented PEDs, are natural.

Right.