HS Girls 5K indoor record

afdsdfdsfg wrote:

Please fire that guy. No respect for Frazier.

Why do you think he has no respect for Frazier???

I agree Finn seems to make excuses a lot and comes off as very arrogant at times. She doesn't have the foot speed or the talent that Frazier does.

Had the PA guy said Frazier was closing fast, Finn would not have relaxed, thinking she had it won. Finn had enough left in the tank to win. She was out in lane 3, arms high, enjoying her finish, and Frazier had an open alley in lane 2.

The PA guy is OK, but had a lapse. He was thinking about Finn repeating, after last year's performance, and another record -- too soon.

A win for Frazier. A lesson for Finn.

The Armory PA guy knows track. Tom Hammond, of NBC, knows horse racing and golf. Covering a hurdles final in London, only Tom can say: "There's the gun" and three seconds later: "They're over the hurdles." Hammond was riotous.

Frazier did win fair in square-- but I'd still be pissed if I were Finn knowing how much harder you run if you're aware someone's right on your back.

If you were there, you'd realize this announcing issue was not as bad as it appears. Part of the problem was the timer put up Finn's time first as if she won, instead of reading the photo first. It took them a 2-4 minutes, I think, before the posted the right times.

Also, the announcers sit at the end of the track and the angle where he had to judge was pretty bad. Lapped runners were blocking his view of Frazier. Yes, knowing of her kick finish, he could have said something and at least indicated in his words that it was very close and that Frazier could have won or missed by a fraction, at least conveying it was very, very close.

Other media watching knew that Frazier might have won, especially when it took so long for them to put up any other times. We figured the margin was a few hundredths or less, either way. But no one knew Frazier won until 3-4 minutes later when the finally put up the times.

The announcer has done many New Balance Indoor and Outdoor meets, Simplot, Arcadia and others. He's one of the best and, like I said, he had bad view, the timer took a while, and if he erred in anything, it was not emphasizing that it was a photo finish.

How many times have Finn and Frazier raced? I know Frazier won Brooks PR in 2011 with a huge kick and Finn won it this year. Finn should know very well about Frazier's kick but after Brooks PR this year were she ran Frazier off her feet she might have let her guard down. Quite an epic rivalry.

i remember them racing at outdoor nationals (5k) a few years back

i thought frazier was done improving, at least in high school, but I'm glad she proved me wrong last weekend.

Lots of depth, fast times, new faces in the NBIN girls distance races this year. Very nice to see.

distance medley wrote:

I agree Finn seems to make excuses a lot and comes off as very arrogant at times. She doesn't have the foot speed or the talent that Frazier does.

Really? She has come down with anemia and bad sicknesses at very inconvenient times this year, which she reported before races and not after poor performances. This is not a poor performance and Frazier and her are both amazing talents. I have always thought Erin gave some of the sweetest and most enthusiastic interviews

Just giving this thread a bump.

I see it did make the front page at last.

Erin Finn has my upmost respect as a runner. Frazier is quite outstanding as well.

Well, they met in the 2012 and 2013 New Balance indoor 5ks, in all three Brooks PR 2M races to date, the 2011 New Balance outdoor 5k and 2M (but not in 2012 because Finn ran USATF Jrs), last spring's adidas mile, and 2010 Foot Locker. So that's 9 times and i think Finn's won 5 of them. I think Friday's 5k was the first one where they've really been close at the end.

High Wire wrote:

How many times have Finn and Frazier raced? I know Frazier won Brooks PR in 2011 with a huge kick and Finn won it this year. Finn should know very well about Frazier's kick but after Brooks PR this year were she ran Frazier off her feet she might have let her guard down. Quite an epic rivalry.

qwer3245ewr wrote:

The ... announcer ... didn't mention that Frazier was coming up on the leader.

In this particular case, it was the fact that he didn't mention anything about Frazier that enabled her to win. It was exciting to see this type of finish: no announcer, no scoreboard screen image giving away the ferocity of Frazier's kick, enabling her to have the full element of surprise.

How far back was Frazier before she starting coming back? Had she been lapped or does that kind of stuff only happen during marathons on tracks?

The announcer says with about two laps to go that Frazier is finally in the same straightaway as Finn. He then starts to focus on Finn and getting the national record and forgets about Frazier. It took so long to get the final times because they were not sure if Frazier hadn't kicked a lap too soon since she had come from nowhere.

Really a perfect example of how our conscious mind drives perception. On the first viewing, while we're being cued by the PA announcer, Frazier suddenly materializes at the tape - seemingly out of nowhere. Then in subsequent video only Finn is on camera, with Frazier nowhere in sight, while PA guy continues to praise Finn's record-breaking effort. Priceless.

At 3200, I think Frazier was 12 seconds back ... Finn 10:11 and Frazier 10:23.

Alanson wrote:

Really a perfect example of how our conscious mind drives perception. On the first viewing, while we're being cued by the PA announcer, Frazier suddenly materializes at the tape - seemingly out of nowhere. Then in subsequent video only Finn is on camera, with Frazier nowhere in sight, while PA guy continues to praise Finn's record-breaking effort. Priceless.

So Fin went out ~15secs to fast and frazier hung back on more reasonable pace. I don't know. Maybe Fin though she was in sub 16 shape.

ifififi wrote:

At 3200, I think Frazier was 12 seconds back ... Finn 10:11 and Frazier 10:23.

Alanson wrote:

Really a perfect example of how our conscious mind drives perception. On the first viewing, while we're being cued by the PA announcer, Frazier suddenly materializes at the tape - seemingly out of nowhere. Then in subsequent video only Finn is on camera, with Frazier nowhere in sight, while PA guy continues to praise Finn's record-breaking effort. Priceless.

creepyy wrote:

Ya the girl in pink who is bobbing her head has terrible form ..does not look elite to me

That was Julie McConville and yes, her form is terrible. But she runs a 10:17 2 mile and that 16:40 5K was the only time she has run that distance on the track - ever. She was third against some pretty serious competition and she ran by herself much of the way. Just think of how good she can be when she learns to avoid wasting all that energy bobbing her head. Word is that she's headed to Dartmouth. Coogan must be freakin' out at the prospect of adding that aerobic monster to his stable. I bet she does quite well.