"I can name five guys who have beaten Galen over the years," Salazar said. "None of them are around now. I frankly believe it's because we have been very slow, progressive and gradual with his training."
It's seems odd that Salazar feels the need to take a shot at either himself, Ritz or both.
Clifford Clavin MD wrote:
"I can name five guys who have beaten Galen over the years," Salazar said. "None of them are around now. I frankly believe it's because we have been very slow, progressive and gradual with his training."
It's seems odd that Salazar feels the need to take a shot at either Schumacher, Solinsky or both.
That is a shot at guys like McDougal, not Solinsky. I also enjoy how you completely changed the quote.
Clifford Clavin MD wrote:
Salazar is grasping at straws, and I don't mean Galen's arms.
Just to contribute something besides the standard "you don't know that", "why are you in love with Rupp", etc replies, I would like to say that this was somewhat clever.
Well you've picked a pretty "vaulted" ceiling. I wonder who will be the first American to surpass all these marks, and when?
We can celebrate his progression of improvement without declaring it's the beginning of the end.
Rupp likely has a few more years on the track, up until 2016 Olympics, before turning to the road.
It's hard to see what point you want to make, and why it matters.
Total Al Sal troll comment. Talking about upper body and relaxation is like a direct mental game with Alan Webb. I wouldn't be surprised if it was all just a ploy.
Clifford Clavin MD wrote:
After the Pre Classic, Salazar and Rupp huddled with Oregon Project strength coach David McHenry to take immediate corrective action. Salazar thought Rupp's upper body was too tight, making his form mechanically unsound.
They came up with a series of exercises to improve Rupp's upper body flexibility and help him be more loose and relaxed while racing.
"We made some big changes," Salazar said. "Now, I like the way his upper body looks in terms of relaxation. We made a huge, huge jump over 10 days. The change is amazing."
http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/index.ssf/2012/06/us_olympic_trials_galen_rupps.htmlAre you kidding me? The change is amazing, says Salazar. Since some of the fanboys think Rupp's effort at Pre showed he is in 12:50 shape, I guess these amazing changes mean Galen could run faster. The truth is Galen will NEVER run faster than 12:55, and Salazar is desperate to feel he is doing something meaningful.
Cliffy, you are a moron. Salazar is a COACH. He simply does what every other good coach does, only with a bigger budget and under a microscope. And he had your sorry ass pegged in that very article: "...vile. terrible, fantasy stuff" 'Nuff said.
Okay, Salazar said that in the RT article, but he was talking to you, Cliff.
What I don't get is that Salazar is changing his stride now. Why the hell not 5 years ago? He's been working with him since HS and probably watched his stride more than any other runner. Then decides, "oh, NOW I see what I've been missing all these years."
Salazar is like the teacher taking credit for the kids that are good at math and the dumb kids [Webb] are someone elses fault
didn't Salzar sell everything and go seaching for the Virgin Mary that appeared in a horse crap somewhere.....
Clifford Clavin MD wrote: I know more about Galen Rupp's ceiling than Salazar and anybody else who cares to differ.
That's an amazing statement. Unless you are one of Salazar's assistants or Rupp's training partners or family members, you cannot possibly believe what you said. i have been patiently reading your posts on Letsrun for a while, and have never found anything compellingly accurate about almost anything you write, despite your insistence that you are an expert and know more about an athlete than his own coach. You have therefore shot your credibility in the foot with all the wild posts that don't even hold true. If Rupp doesn't run any faster that any of the times you've predicted it is because he is running to compete in races/championships, not break records...and that doesn't mean he has peaked or 'hit his ceiling'. You are a silly, lonely little clifford clavin sitting by himself at the bar with your rupp obsession diatribes. i feel sorry for you
If Salazar want to make his name why , not go to kenya and feed the some juice ******* he give Rupp to a MARAKWET runner and i bet , he will see all the record from 1500-marathon been broken by one person within a season !!
Clifford Clavin MD wrote:
rekrunner wrote:The problem for you is that your \"obvious facts\" and \"unpalatable truths\" are really bold, yet misinformed predictions that do not stand the test of time.
Sure one day, Rupp will get old and start descending past his peak. Given the high frequency of your recent prediction failures, I wonder how many times will you revise your \"truths\" before then?
There has been no need to \"revise\" the truth, as I have been correct about Galen\'s ceiling all along. The few times I have been slightly off, such as when I said Galen would run close to 13 flat at Pre, and Galen ran 12:58.90, I was not stating that Galen would NEVER break 13, but rather that he would not on that day. Regarding Galen\'s ceiling, I have NEVER been wrong, and as disconcerting as it may be for the fanboys, I NEVER will be. I know more about Galen Rupp\'s ceiling than Salazar and anybody else who cares to differ. Galen can work on relaxing his upper body until he is blue in the face, and he still will never run faster than 3:34, 7:32, 12:55 and 26:48. Salazar is desperate to find areas of improvement, and that is all well and good, but it makes me think that even Salazar recognizes that Galen\'s days of improving on the track are in the rear view mirror. There is no shame in this. Let\'s celebrate Galen\'s achievements.
When Galen ran 8:09 for 2 miles, you said he wouldn\'t break 8:15. 6 seconds in a 2 mile is A LOT. WAY more than \"SLIGHTLY OFF\", as you claim.
What gets me is that you act like you\'re congratulating the guy, then subtly insult him by saying he\'s past his peak, his ceiling is this and that,blah blah blah, and outright say you know more about him than his coaches or even he does.
Can we just end this right here and now? If Galen medals at the Olympics, or breaks any of the times on his supposed \"ceiling\"(3:34/7:32/12:55/26:48), then you have to admit you\'ve just been trying to be an a s s all along, and then you stop posting your high and mighty crap for good. If it turns out your predictions are true from here on out, everyone else must admit how great you\'ve been all along.
How\'s that sound to everybody?
And since you\'re soooooo sure you\'re smarter than everyone else, you shouldn\'t have any reason not to take this wager. Unless maybe you think you\'re wrong...........?????
meh.... wrote:
Can we just end this right here and now? If Galen medals at the Olympics, or breaks any of the times on his supposed "ceiling"(3:34/7:32/12:55/26:48), then you have to admit you've just been trying to be an a s s all along, and then you stop posting your high and mighty crap for good. If it turns out your predictions are true from here on out, everyone else must admit how great you've been all along.
How's that sound to everybody?
Wait. Salazar is known for his hyperbolic predictions before keyed up performances. If anyone bothered to actually run these figures, I venture we'd see more failures than successes.
Salazar's projected "slow-growth" model with Rupp's training is the biggest farce I've ever seen. All the way back to the Nike Oregon Project that fell on its face. Salazar has had Rupp since his freshman year of HS...seriously!
Here is an article from Arpil, "Inside The Salazar-Rupp Mystique" located here
http://running.competitor.com/2012/04/inside-the-magazine/inside-the-salazar-rupp-mystique_50302/3"A scientist in his own right, tweaking and refining are mainstays of Salazar’s job; he’s studied proper running form at exhaustive levels. He’s worked with Rupp since his early teens to perfect his form; diagnosing the root cause of a slight hunch in Rupp’s shoulders and correcting it is their latest adjustment."
...Since his early teens...and suddenly in 10 days he's made major breakthroughs beyond all those collective years? Salazar is a sensationalist who tries to generate hype...and if we're really critically, most of the time it doesn't come out the way he's predicted.
Lets just hope that all it really is gonna take...is just that one race! GOOD LUCK GALEN!
I didn't use to be much of a Rupp fan. I could recognize and appreciate his performances, but as an athlete he just didn't grab my attention. For some reason he always came across as a bit of a sissy, or a wimp. I honestly think it might have been his face...
Anyway, this article was the final straw in all of that. I'm now a fan of Rupp.
Seems odd to make a big change just now. Sure, work on relaxation or something, but change stride??? How'd that work with Ritz, maybe not super great?
I have huge respect for Al, but we'll have to see what happens here.
Great observation, but this is not news. Rupp has been Salazar's Guinea Pig all his life. Changing his upper body movement is not the only change Salazar has made. However, as long as the changes work for Rupp and we see results and everyone is happy, then who are we to complain.
One thing is, Salazar has really built himself with Rupp and Rupp has become one of the world top athletes. It is a pure win win relation, so let's be happy for them!
Out running in Eugene today... looks like Rupp's wearing THE MASK!
Kenyano wrote:
Great observation, but this is not news. Rupp has been Salazar's Guinea Pig all his life. Changing his upper body movement is not the only change Salazar has made. However, as long as the changes work for Rupp and we see results and everyone is happy, then who are we to complain.
One thing is, Salazar has really built himself with Rupp and Rupp has become one of the world top athletes. It is a pure win win relation, so let's be happy for them!
Why...
I bet he can run faster than he has...
The only way to get the U.S. a gold in the 5,000 meters is to take the top 3 Olympic Trailers is to mold them into what I like to call, "a human centipede". With 6 legs, together they will move faster than any Kenyan. If Rupp finishes top 3 in the trials, I will gladly provide him and Salazar my services for free.