Deadspin Reports (Incorrectly?) Usain Bolt Working With Admitted Steroid Dealer Angel Heredia

I hadn't seen this before, but Heredia reinforces everything I've been saying here for years, right down to specifics about the 100m. It's amusing to have some unsolicited corroboration on very specific points--the general stuff he recites is well-known at a certain level.

He knows. I know. What's surprising to me is that so few of you know.

I'm hoping lots of you posters are young kids who haven't been exposed to this kind of stuff, and who are therefore likely to deny that it exists.

If that's the case, good for you. Youth should be all about innocence and endeavor.

As for me, I want everything to be run cleanly, but I know that's terribly unlikely to ever happen--so I remain amazed and somewhat amused when somebody runs, say, 19.26

I still maintain that Bolt will never be exposed, unless he does something to piss someone off, and that someone is in a position to sink him--he'd have to do something like messing with somebody's daughter, or something similar, something personal.

As long as he doesn't drink too much and lose control of himself, he should be OK.

In for a penny, in for a pound.

the themes discussed in this thread make minimalism and barefoot running ever so appealing

Bolt isn't 196. Maybe 193.

the entire carib is on steroids. BIG very.

the couple of sub 44 400 runners are on epo.

salazar is legit in that he and his doctors use many performance enhancing meds but always register use for conditions such as thyroid, anemia, etc. testing positive in this case of a registered med, within reasonable use to treat a condition is not an offense.

atlas mountain and iberian peninsula runners use the ramzi protocol, which is the said aouta protocol, which is the el g protocol, which is the morcelli protocol......

africans dabble in pharmas, not known who is doing what.

europeans blood doped especially from 1972-1984.

now we have altitude training and oxygen tents.

anabolics were prevalent through out the 60s onward. with some experimentation done in the 50s.

at the end of the day, who is really clean?

not many.

I love how the Brojos bend over backwards to defend the systematic Jamaican doping program. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the Puma/Bolt ads plastered all over this website. Nice objective reporting guys.

Koneko wrote:

I love how the Brojos bend over backwards to defend the systematic Jamaican doping program. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the Puma/Bolt ads plastered all over this website. Nice objective reporting guys.

Whether they bend over backwards or not, I don't know.

What I DO know is that they permit me to post my argument and evidence that Bolt has doped, and that 9.58/19.19 was dirty.

Not to mention other the Jamaicans who I've also singled out.

Out of the whole discussion with Heredia, the main thing I got out of it was the EPO comment about the B sample being completely different from the A. Sounds plausible and explains some of the "false positives" over the years.

I'm torn generally about drugs in sport. Sometimes I think everyone is on them. Other times I think its completely possible that if a bunch of high school kids every year can run low 4:00s and sub 14:00... then a professional who has been trained nearly his whole life for an event, can run 15 seconds faster or 1:00 faster. Factoring in genetic, cultural and environmental differences between most Americans and the the Kenyans, for example, and again, it seems even more plausible.

Definitely torn.

Koneko wrote:

I love how the Brojos bend over backwards to defend the systematic Jamaican doping program. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the Puma/Bolt ads plastered all over this website. Nice objective reporting guys.

You realize the whole world works like this don't you?

From Bush to the labor unions and Democrats.

Welcome to reality, where your dreams don't matter.

I'm quite impressed that when the site is covered in Puma ads one of the owners initiates a thread to publicise a very negative story about Puma's highest profile athlete. They don't bend over backwards to defend Bolt or Jamaican sprinting - just point out the obvious - that it takes more evidence than this to condemn someone.

41 track and field athletes, he said, were his clients, as well as boxers, soccer players and cross-country skiers.

Have Heredia ever mentioned what cross-countrye skiers he helped?

"Heredia: Track and field, swimming, cross-country skiing and cycling can no longer be saved. Golf? Not clean either."

If that last part about cross-country is true, that means that one of the "cleanest" country in the world with strongest and tightest testing program, a nation where everybody hates the cheaters on a level that few other nations compare to, that means that Norway the strongest team now and trough history in cross-country skiing is doping. If that would be true, then ALL would be lost.

I call bullshitt. Heredia doesn't know shit about cross-country skiing, myself I have trained with these guys. They are not superhuman, the best cross-country skiier the last 6 years, Petter Northug (youtube him, you'll see how he crushes people like Bolt in the spring) barely run a 9 minute 3000m. Yeah, clearly he and the guys losing to him are cheating right?

Get the f*ck out of here.

And America, what a f*cking nation you guys are. I feel sorry for you who truly wants a clean sport. A nation which proudest moments in international sport are with drugs.

Lets all just do ultra instead, no money in that sport yet.

Northug barely runs a 9.0 3000m, OFF SEASON.

Then he suddenly he get in magnificent shape some time in the winter. Beating magnificent athletes with vo2max of 90+.

Smells blood doping all the way to me.

How you get vo2max beyond 90 without blood doping is in itself a mystery.

Swedish skier wrote:

Northug barely runs a 9.0 3000m, OFF SEASON.

Then he suddenly he get in magnificent shape some time in the winter. Beating magnificent athletes with vo2max of 90+.

Smells blood doping all the way to me.

How you get vo2max beyond 90 without blood doping is in itself a mystery.

Northug barely runs a 9.0 3000m, after beating the rest of the world in roller skiing competition.

He also ran a 9000m right after the ski season, he ran terribly.

He never get sin magnificent shape, as I just wrote, he is one of the best in skiing/roller skiing all year.

In may he was chubby and out of shape, still managed to beat Markus Hellner in a show race on Bislett Games. Although that was more like a middle distance sprint, he still beat him.

Mention the athletes with vo2max of 90+ please?

He have never won The Tour de Ski, he failed in the individual 15km competition in the Olympics. When have he ever proven to be great in an individual race in a World Championships/Olympics?

"How you get vo2max beyond 90 without blood doping is in itself a mystery"

No it's not. There are many in a small nation like Norway that can get a vo2max about 80+, you find it strange that a few athletes every tenth year can go 90+?

XC skiing is one of the dirtiest sports ever. And the sport with the greatest benefit from enhanced hematocrit.

And you belive your athletes that are on top of the lists are clean?

In your country they really believe in FAIRYTALES.

Look at this list. It was before the introduction of the EPO test.

http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/winter/1998/CCS/mens-10-kilometres.html

The list contain the who is who of famous dopers, the Finns (cought systematic doping in 2001), the austrians, the russians, Veerpalu, Muhlegg, the Italians (all clients of doctor CONCONI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Conconi

).

I would guess there are no clean athletes on the list top 30.

Still you believe in your superhuman on top. That is more ridiculus than believing in Bolt, or Armstrong.

Take a look at these articles.

During the 90s, the best years of the norwegians the average hemoglobin values in XC reached extreme values.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10755280

Then they fell after the introduction of the EPO test in 2000 (needed to be more careful and not go as high), relatively poor years for the norwegians. Thereafter, values increased again (they found methods to dope without getting cought). Again good years for the Norwegians.

http://www.mendeley.com/research/blood-profiles-in-elite-crosscountry-skiers-a-6year-followup/#

http://www.sportsci.org/news/news9701/EPOfeat.html

Time to get out of your bubble?

It's a sport dominated by evil white Europeans, of course XC skiing is dirty.

You can't say the same about distance running because it's dominated by nice smiley Africans who are probably offered temptation by their evil white European agent/doctor/coach, but are too good a people to succumb to such temptation.

The facts are simple.

"the International Ski Federation decided to generate individual blood profiles"

Are you not aware the norwegians did this for years before nationally? Most people who knows anything about doping knows the strict doping testing regime there is in Norway, its almost unbearable. There have been complaints. The tests are numerous and there is no chance someone would escape this, unless you think the norwegians, a nation without with extremely big hatred against doping, not like the americans or eastern europeans, trough times have had the most incredible performance drugs?

Why is it that the nation who tests the most catches almost none? Our previous positive in skiing tested positive for....caffeine.

"suggesting the continued use of artificial methods to increase total hemoglobin mass."

Finns, russians. Etc. Many of these were caught, obviously not those who didn't come in the top 5. Theres much more to skiing than drugs, you can't become the best in tennis with EPO. Technique is everything, and unless you dope yourself so full like the german during salt like olympics, drugs would never be enough.

"A few skiers were walking around with a combination of extreme training induced bradycardia and ultra-high hematocrit that was unnatural by any definition and deemed "deadly" due to the resulting risk of embolism. This same pattern has been implicated in the deaths of dozens of professional cyclists over the last decade."

No death like this to any norwegian or swedish skiier ever.

And you forget one thing when in your useless thread, norwegians particularly have used much more money on research for how to get faster skiies, the eastern europeans had bad equipment, and this means alot. The differences aren't nearly as big today, but everyone that knows anything about the 90s and norways dominance know one of the reasons was their much more advanced equipment.

I have trained with some of these guys, in my youth and later. They have progressed, but thats normal. They were never superhumean freaks during season or off. A few were crazy fit sure, but how is that strange?

Strange is it anyway, that you suggest that the norwegian cross-country skiiers have cracked a code that nobody else have. How to make EVERYONE pass EVERY test.

Strange is it anyway, that you suggest that the norwegian cross-country skiiers have cracked a code that nobody else have. How to make EVERYONE pass EVERY test.

They test themself BY THEIR OWN FEDERATION (at least they say so). Are at the top of the result lists. Test vo2max of 96. Have the leading international researchers on erythropoietin and blood doping. And EVERYONE PASS EVERY TEST.

Abit too good to be true isnt it?

Technique is everything,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z8qe7YWDOQ

oh yeah...

Or the spanish federation provided perhaps excellent skis...

Yeah right wrote:

Technique is everything,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z8qe7YWDOQ

oh yeah...

Or the spanish federation provided perhaps excellent skis...

Did you not see me mention him in the post?

He was so full of drugs it was no wonder he won without gold. Smart cheaters don't do it that way.

Smartass.

Try again.

Kari Olli Kuha wrote:

Strange is it anyway, that you suggest that the norwegian cross-country skiiers have cracked a code that nobody else have. How to make EVERYONE pass EVERY test.

They test themself BY THEIR OWN FEDERATION (at least they say so). Are at the top of the result lists. Test vo2max of 96. Have the leading international researchers on erythropoietin and blood doping. And EVERYONE PASS EVERY TEST.

Abit too good to be true isnt it?

They test them selfs, (this is not demanded, most countries don't and will never have their own country test them like this).

They are also being tested by international individual testers, the national tests just adds up to the other tests.

My question still stands. What code did they crack?

Do you think its a conspiracy, that one of the cleanest nations on the earth in sports are faking it?

It's not USA, its a huge difference in peoples attitude and what they would do to succeed in sport.

Try again.