Agreeing with jake - you're right, that make sense. But you need to convince the IAAF not the jerkoffs that read lets run
Agreeing with jake - you're right, that make sense. But you need to convince the IAAF not the jerkoffs that read lets run
did haile drop out or something?
2:03:38 +10% = 2:16 Using the 10% rule for endurance events, Men Vs women— Paula's performance is still slightly superior. 2:15:25
2:03:07 equivalent for men.
these dudes had a wave of Kenyan Pacers blocking any wind for half the race. then they still had a pacer thru 31k.
It'd make more sense if the World Marathon Majors stopped limiting entrants in protest to this than having women stop competing.
I first read about the record on the NY Times web site this morning, moments AFTER looking over LetsRun.com. The Times had the whole world to keep track of. Berlin had to be the primary focus of LetsRun, and LetsRun still got scooped.
As far as men pacers in a womens race are concerned, if men could have an aid of someone faster then them it might be fair. Lets face it a women could have a male pacer go the whole race with them, not with the mens pacers so I think it's far to have pacers, but they should be of the same sex. If you can get 3-5 female pacers to take you through 20-30k then do it. The 2:15 is impressive regardless.
David Robson wrote:
As far as men pacers in a womens race are concerned, if men could have an aid of someone faster then them it might be fair. Lets face it a women could have a male pacer go the whole race with them, not with the mens pacers so I think it's far to have pacers, but they should be of the same sex.
The only tricky bit is that there aren't enough women who can run that pace. In twenty years or so we will probably have the depth, but right now we don't.
However, I do think it's a reasonable point that when men pace women the women aren't dealing with a competitor and that's not true for same-sex pacing. Pacers typically don't make it the whole way anyway, so it probably doesn't make much of a difference, but it might make a little.
jakethefake wrote:
yeah they're not equivalent Radcliffe ran her race with pacers to her side, Makau ran with them in front.
So says you. But you're once again WRONG.
Don't get me wrong, great run and all that. But was anyone else completely uninspired by watching him run a WR? You would think it would be an exciting thing, but it really wasn't.
agreeing with Jake wrote:
If we divorce the issue from pacers and simply say that men and women in the same race allow the leading elite woman to run against the 2nd tier men and thus also have an advantage versus a women's only marathon where the lead woman would be all by her lonesome then we are in effect stating that "competing" is an unfair aid. Thus any WR, male or female, set when the two lead runners fight it out to the end should also not qualify as a WR. The logical conclusion of the IAAF ruling is that every elite runner should have to start in isolation 15 mins after each other. No pacers, no competing or team tactics, just every runner in isolation against the clock. So now I am being ridiculous but one absurdity begs for another.
Not really. Don't forget that before pacers were officially permitted, there was under-the-table collusion with fellow runners to do pacing duties, so even if you toss having designated pacers in races there will still be pacers, they just won't be known to other racers or the general public until after the fact, if ever. Might as well have them officially designated and outfitted so that they are available to all. And they should be gender-matched, as in track races. Unless you are a relativist who has a problem with a uniform set of rules for sport. There are plenty of top female half-marathoners who could take women's marathon WR attempts through 30K, just pay them enough and they'll show up and do the job.
So i guess those are the adidas adizero adios then? Not a bad debut. Anyone know when they are avaiable?
agreeing with Jake wrote:
So is the problem the presence of men or pacers? As the issue seems to be that of "unfair aid" we must presume that it is the presence of pacers
No, it's the fact that women are being paced by men. Women's results in mixed races on the track aren't allowable for record purposes. The IAAF is now applying the same standard to road races.
half marathon pace of 1:07:42, which very few women can beat, and you want those of pacer quality, second tier athletes in any case, to take the wr holder through to 18.6 miles??? not a chance.
Kipligat, the womens winner, had a male pacer the entire way. Not sure what that means. If a woman wants to run a WR, does she decide not to have pacers? Does that mean that women can't set a WR in Berlin because some women have pacers?
How much do these pace setters charge? Will they do this for anyone? What's their cut?
Makau is obviously extremely talented but this is a bogus record.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
The IAAF is now applying the same standard to road races.
Applying it retroactively is the stupidest part of this whole situation
jjjjjjjjj wrote:
half marathon pace of 1:07:42, which very few women can beat, and you want those of pacer quality, second tier athletes in any case, to take the wr holder through to 18.6 miles??? not a chance.
exactly, it should be hard to find a pacemaker, you think guys able to roll through 30km in 1hr28 are just lying around waiting for the phone to ring?
It would be like allowing bike pacers for the men....
So what are the chances this record only stands a couple weeks and is broken in Chicago?? Mosop anybody??? I'm sure he'll be getting after it!
They made a mistake in the past to even allow it and not correcting that would have been even stupider.
wodka wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:The IAAF is now applying the same standard to road races.
Applying it retroactively is the stupidest part of this whole situation