How could the founding fathers sign the declaration of independence?

Bobby1 wrote:

The founding fathers didn't believe that slaves had rights, the same as people today don't believe a baby has rights until it's extracted from the womb.

Ohhh... I see what you did there.

dsfaasdf wrote:

Ohhh... I see what you did there.

But he is right.

Same way half white obama can attack his white side and not write a book like dream of my father, when his father was...

out the door,

with another brothas whore

Urine Idiot wrote:

.... but they are the most dedicated people (the whites) to clearing up the past wrongs and the blacks are very cool and not the hateful victims the North portrays them. It's a great and evolving environment.

They've move on a prospered. Maybe you should just move on.

Many (blacks and whites) in the south have "moved on", but how about all the whites flying the confederate flag ?? yeah, THAT is REALLY "moving on," huh? In fact, doesn't the confederate RACIST TRAITOR flag STILL fly at SC State House? Yes it does. Moving on indeed.

Here's a quote for you from the SC beloved Lt Governor last year:

Lieutenant Governor Andre Bauer:

“My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals.

“You know why? Because they breed.

“You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better.”

TRANSLATION: Black people (mostly) on welfare are like stray animals. cut off their scraps, and maybe they will stop breeding, and maybe even die. Problem solved.

Oh, and there's more:

"Republican S.C. Sen. Jake Knotts called Lexington Rep. Nikki Haley, an Indian-American Republican woman running for governor, a “raghead” several times while explaining how he believed she was hiding her true religion from voters."

Oh yes, Racism is DEAD in the South!!

Except....

"South Carolina GOP activist and former chairman of the state elections commission Rusty DePass has apologized for saying a gorilla that escaped from a zoo was an "ancestor" of Michelle Obama." WHOOOPS!

And..

GOP operative Mike Green posted this, then deleted it some time later:

JUST HEARD OBAMA IS GOING TO IMPOSE A 40% TAX ON ASPIRIN BECAUSE IT'S WHITE AND IT WORKS.

This is all within the last year I think, and took me 2 minutes to find.

Yes, South Carolina right wingers, righting the wrongs of the past!!

Bobby1 wrote:

The founding fathers didn't believe that slaves had rights, the same as people today don't believe a baby has rights until it's extracted from the womb.

You are hijacking my thread but I guess what you are saying if your 14yr. old daughter is pregnant from rape or if your wife has medical issues making continued pregnancy risky you would want big government to decide for you what to do.

Myself I think government should stay out it and family will decide whats best for us. But some of you need big government to decide stuff like that for you. That's OK.

Yes, there seems to be much greater tolerance for publically declared racist statements in South Carolina. I also agree about the Conferate Flag. I don't see how anyone can view the Confederate flag as anything but a flag of treason.

The founding fathers were very conflicted. Jefferson, for example, originally included slavery, the slave trade, and inciting slaves to revolt in the list of grievances against George III in the Declaration of Independence, but it was stricken by the Continental Congress --

He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivatng and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of INFIDEL powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce. And that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people for whom he also obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed against the LIBERTIES of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the LIVES of another.

Despite writing this, Jefferson owned slaves and never freed them, unlike, for instance, George Washington, who freed all of his slaves at his death.

The abortion comparison may be trolling, but it's not a bad analogy with something that people are conflicted over, argue both sides of passionately, and where their self-interest may cloud their thinking. Two hundred years from now, who knows how people will look back on the abortion question, but the answer may seem much more obvious to them than it does to us.

JCH Clemson wrote:

It was John C. Calhoun of South Carolina who was the coward who wrote volumes of racist mythologies attempting to justify slavery. Calhoun was Adolph Hitler's and Theodor Herzl's role model. They copied vefrbatim the gentile and semitic jew racial superiority myths of Calhoun who died before South Carolina was torched by the Union Army, the local militants parked in the ass, and the local girls and women raped by freed slaves and Union heros.

^ Nazi Zionist guy sighting

By the way, NZG, "Union heros" (sic) who rape people are not heroes.

He not only freed them but left them land and money.Jefferson really jumped around with his position based on writings (initially against then for)but when it came to ACTION he was always solidly in the slavery camp.

By the way, NZG, "Union heros" (sic) who rape people are not heroes.

[quote]Hmmmmm wrote:

Simple, at that current time, slaves/Negroes were not considered men under the definition intended in the declaration of independence...that interpretation/definition has since changed, as have the laws concerning slavery...

Does not make them bad men, just products of their times

Bullsh*t. Jefferson knew slavery was wrong yet benefitted from it his whole life and sold his slaves down the river when he had financial problems tpward the end. These were very evil men. All people except white male land owners were prevented from full citizenship

Bobby1 wrote:

The founding fathers didn't believe that slaves had rights, the same as people today don't believe a baby has rights until it's extracted from the womb.

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Just like the Right Wing that thinks people only have rights until they are out of the womb

Jefferson was a slime who had children with Sally Hemmings. Dozens of people have the same DNA as Jefferson's legitimates. Bill and Chelsea Clinton are from Thomas Jefferson's slave side.

Conundrum wrote:

And still believe in slavery?

How could Obama (1/2 and 1/2) and Clinton (first black pres) swear to uphold it???

Conundrum wrote:

And still believe in slavery?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Probably with a plume. Freaking hippie.

The Human Genome Project proved no such thing. Different races have slightly different sets of genes. After correcting for lifestyle factors, there still remain diseases that effect races in different ways. Tay-Sachs, and Sickle-Cell Anemia are but 2 examples.

Also, this year showed that Tibetan people have a mutated gene that allows them to live in extreme altitude conditions:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jul/02/mutation-gene-tibetans-altitude

When any species becomes geographically separated into 2 or more groups for long periods of time, they genetically diverge. 60,000 years ago, several groups of humans left Africa, and one group stayed behind. The groups that left (today's Europeans, Asians, etc..) have diverged genetically from the original primitive Africans that stayed behind. This is Evolutionary Biology 101. How anyone in 2010 cannot understand this is beyond me.

Of course we now have socialists who try to correct for these differences with affirmative action quotas and income redistribution, but ultimately they are doomed to failure.

You may philosophically believe that all races are exactly the same, but actual science doesn't support this viewpoint.

In the most obvious case, you have failed to realize that our genes code for skin color. If you have a different skin color than I do, then you have a slight different set of genes (actually alleles) that code for melanin. If you still have trouble understanding, I can give you more examples.

JCH Clemson wrote:

It was John C. Calhoun of South Carolina who was the coward who wrote volumes of racist mythologies attempting to justify slavery. Calhoun was Adolph Hitler's and Theodor Herzl's role model. They copied vefrbatim the gentile and semitic jew racial superiority myths of Calhoun who died before South Carolina was torched by the Union Army, the local militants parked in the ass, and the local girls and women raped by freed slaves and Union heros.

Nice fantasy, more like surviving Union troops (ones who didn't die for nothing) join with the old Confederates to lynch the "freed" slaves who even flirted with local women, things go on almost unchanged for another hundred years.

The New UncleB wrote:

Just like the Right Wing that thinks people only have rights until they are out of the womb

Much better than the Left Wing, which don't believe in any rights for anyone, except for homosexuals: Obama packing the Supreme Court with lesbian Jews as he plunders the economy of trillions and has people molested at airports and tortured in secret bases and assassinated on personal whim. Yeah, Hope and Change, a wonderful fascist police state, but utopia for corrupt billionaire Jews and homosexuals.

The founders could read and write. It was the slaves who were illiterate.