Paulas marathon world best 68:02/67:23
Paulas marathon world best 68:02/67:23
A Skeptic wrote:
Also, 1976 Olympic 10000. If Viren had run the last 1500 of that race in the 1500 final that year he would have been fourth.
He only ran the last 450m hard. You're imagination is running wild on you.
A Skeptic wrote:
2003 World Championships 5000 would get my vote.
Another one was the Olympic 1500 in 2004. 3:34, El G closed in 1:46.xx
Also, 1976 Olympic 10000. If Viren had run the last 1500 of that race in the 1500 final that year he would have been fourth.
Viren's last four laps were run in about 4:15. So the last point is incorrect.
Not Really wrote:
A Skeptic wrote:2003 World Championships 5000 would get my vote.
Another one was the Olympic 1500 in 2004. 3:34, El G closed in 1:46.xx
Also, 1976 Olympic 10000. If Viren had run the last 1500 of that race in the 1500 final that year he would have been fourth.
Viren's last four laps were run in about 4:15. So the last point is incorrect.
Yeah, it was the 5000 and it would have made him 8th. I don't know where I got the other from!
A Skeptic wrote:
Yeah, it was the 5000 and it would have made him 8th. I don't know where I got the other from!
He ran 4:02 - 4:03 for the last 4 laps.
I think you're thinking of the 1972 5000m final when he ran 3:59.8 for the final 4 laps.
Not calling these the greatest but just adding them to the table:
Daniel Komen's indoor 3000m- came through 2000m in 5:00, then 2:24 last 1000m. INDOORS-That is flying
WC 10000m 2009- not the same as a 12:57 but Bekele did split 13:05 for an overall faster time than 2003 (Championship Record)
Leonard Patrick Komon's 15K WR- Komon ran a 27:12 last 10K after a 14:01 first 5K. That time alone would have been the fastest 10K in the world for the year outside of his WR, and this was after a decent opening 5K
+ 1 for the guy that said Bolt's 200m
Definitely Dave Waddle's '72 Olympic 800m final. He closed soooo fasttt!!!
The Coe Ovett match-ups in the 1980 Olympics produced seriously negative splitted 800 amd 1500 finals.
Jim Ryun's world record 880. 53.7/51.1.
be real here wrote:Yeah, 2004 Olympics 1500 has got to trump the 1987 World Championships 1500, especially if both were closed in about the same time 1:46.xx.
The stage was bigger since it was the Olympics, it was more historic due to the players involved (El G trying to get his gold), and the race was two seconds faster. So they still closed in 1:46.xx after a faster opening 700.
theoretically, abdi was in 3'26 shape that day in order to have run those splits ( from analysing the splits )
if that sounds far-fetched, remember hicham/bernie ran similar splits & ran 3'27 in zurich a coupla weeks before athens & presumably peaked for athens & were also both in 3'26 shape there
abdi for that day in '87, if he'd been on the circuit in a wabbited race couda set a record which wouda astonished the world - dropping it from 3'29.4 to mid/high 3'26
ventolin^3 wrote:
be real here wrote:Yeah, 2004 Olympics 1500 has got to trump the 1987 World Championships 1500, especially if both were closed in about the same time 1:46.xx.The stage was bigger since it was the Olympics, it was more historic due to the players involved (El G trying to get his gold), and the race was two seconds faster. So they still closed in 1:46.xx after a faster opening 700.
theoretically, abdi was in 3'26 shape that day in order to have run those splits ( from analysing the splits )
if that sounds far-fetched, remember hicham/bernie ran similar splits & ran 3'27 in zurich a coupla weeks before athens & presumably peaked for athens & were also both in 3'26 shape there
abdi for that day in '87, if he'd been on the circuit in a wabbited race couda set a record which wouda astonished the world - dropping it from 3'29.4 to mid/high 3'26
Don't call me a moron, but El G and Lagat ran 2.6 seconds faster in their race. It does seem far-fetched to suggest that he could have run the same time as they did that year based on a race in which he ran 2.6 seconds slower. Do you think Jose Luis Gonzalez and Jim Spivey had 3:28 in them?
ventolin^3 wrote:
abdi was in 3'26 shape that day in order to have run those splits ( from analysing the splits )
And Abdi's actual PRs, in the real world were:
800 metres - 1:43.60
1000 metres - 2:14.50
1500 metres - 3:30.55
Mile - 3:49.40
A Skeptic wrote:Don't call me a moron, but El G and Lagat ran 2.6 seconds faster in their race. It does seem far-fetched to suggest that he could have run the same time as they did that year based on a race in which he ran 2.6 seconds slower. Do you think Jose Luis Gonzalez and Jim Spivey had 3:28 in them?
finally someone asking interesting questions !
i dug up the analysis from my notes :
abdi's initial 800m/last 700m was actually "better" than usually quoted initial 700m/last 800m
abdi : 3'36.8 :
off 1'49.9/1'46.9 ->3'28.7
off 2'05.2/1'31.6 ->3'26.7 !!!
his actual initial 800/last 700m splits offered more variation than the usually quoted inital 700/last 700 splits
with inter split variation, it wouda been nearer 3'26-flat
for hicham's 3'34.2 :
off 1'47.3/1'46.9 ->3'28.4
off 2'01.8/1'32.4 ->3'27.8
which with inter split variation ( certainly more than abdi's, especially the last 100 where hicham was desperately fighting whereas abdi was cruising ) wouda got it << 3'27
if someone digs up hicham's last 400 or 300, i'd appreciate it
gonzales & spivey's splits were no way as varied as abdi's, so even finishing a coupla secs behind, they ran more even splits which i'd be surprised offer better than ~ 3'30 evened out
dig out those guys' splits & i'll crunch the numbers
lol lol lol lol wrote:And Abdi's actual PRs, in the real world were:
800 metres - 1:43.60
1000 metres - 2:14.50
1500 metres - 3:30.55
Mile - 3:49.40
& hicham's pb before he ran 3'26.00 ( actually more like a 3'25-flat effort evened out seeing as last lap was 53.2 & not 54.93* ) was 3'28.9, so he slashed close to 4s off his pb in setting his wr in terms of energy expended
it is not a stretch that abdi couda slashed comparable amount off his pb in peak day of his career - he just didn't ever get that ever again unlike hicham who was a repeatability machine
ventolin^3 wrote:gonzales & spivey's splits were no way as varied as abdi's, so even finishing a coupla secs behind, they ran more even splits which i'd be surprised offer better than ~ 3'30 evened out
dig out those guys' splits & i'll crunch the numbers
the race has been removed from youtube, so have to go on memory
spivey was probably ~ level with abdi with 700 to go & then abdi sped off to take 2s out of him
using that ->~ 3'30.9 for spivey, which is perfectly reasonable
for gonzales, using same method/assumption, he finished 1.2s behind abdi ->~ 3'29.4 which is a little quicker than his 3'30.9pb but not outrageous if he too was in peak form of career ( & spaniards know how to peak for majors )
Abdi ran 24.9 from 500m to go until 300m to go. I lost ground running 25.3 over the same 200m split.
Abdi's last 800 was 1:46.1
I would have to find my training log, but seem to remember running 1:48.5 for my last 800.
js
ventolin^ wrote:
for gonzales, using same method/assumption, he finished 1.2s behind abdi ->~ 3'29.4 which is a little quicker than his 3'30.9pb but not outrageous if he too was in peak form of career ( & spaniards know how to peak for majors )
We have some "special" peaking methods in Spain don't we.
JSpivey wrote:Abdi ran 24.9 from 500m to go until 300m to go. I lost ground running 25.3 over the same 200m split.
Abdi's last 800 was 1:46.1
going on that -> abdi split 1'50.7/1'46.1
-> ~ 3'27.1
which is consistent with
2'05.2/1'31.6 ->3'26.7 !!!
really getting anal-retentive, we coud use that 24.9 quoted
we know he ran 2'05.2 for initial 800m & therefore 1'31.6 for last 700m, which includes a 24.9, so some more composite splits woud be
2'05.2/1'06.7/24.9
( doesn't matter they are not in order )
->3'25.9 !!!
( but remember off course hicham's actual wr wouda been at least 3'25-flat if he'd run perfect even splits when his variation included a last lap of 53.2 )
this indicates abdi's most outstanding running was probably done from 700m out rather than 800m
I would have to find my training log, but seem to remember running 1:48.5 for my last 800.
js
therfore in your 3'38.8 in that race, using 25.3 & 1'48.5, means your splits were :
1'50.3/25.3/1'23.2 ->3'30.3
with variability in pace in other parts of the race, it woud easily indicate 3'30-flat ability that day in perfect even pace race from gun-to-tape on the circuit
you were in <3'30 shape that day...
Ventolin, you now have Abdi Bile capable of 3:25.9. You are so stupid that it might be a good idea for you to make a New Year's resolution: THINK BEFORE POSTING. Repeat after me: THINK BEFORE POSTING. You have become farcical with all your extrapolations, calculations, proclamations, exaggerations and ejaculations. Darling, I am simply looking out for your welfare. Abdi Bile was very good. Abdi Bile does not need you rewriting his career. He NEVER broke 3:30. Understand? He NEVER broke 3:30. He MAY have been capable of breaking 3:30, but you have him under 3:26, and you wonder why you're a laughingstock around here, darling?