Yea but it's a white person record so clearly it should deserve extra attention.
Yea but it's a white person record so clearly it should deserve extra attention.
she must be singularly focused on running now.
obviously she's always had great talent.
she may be primed to be an olympian in the near future.
go Molly wrote:
Upper 30+ y.o. Jen Rhines runs 14:5X, after a career spanning 20+ years, and everyone pats her on the bat and doesn't blink an eye.
26 year old Molly Huddle runs 14:5X, after steadily improving her whole career and this whole season, and BELLS GO OFF... "where the hell did that come from".... insinuations that XXXX.
Sorry, but this is no surprise. Good for her. Healthy and consistently improving. There's a few more Americans females who have potential besides Deena/Shalane/Kara, and they're getting opportunities to run fast times.
You're literally the only person in this thread that even hinted at anything shady on Huddle's part. What the hell's wrong with you? Every single poster above you was complimentary of her race and her season.
I talked to Molly a few years back, after her first season with Ray. She had had a good year but I was impressed that she was surprised she had run well. She had felt she hadn't progressed her training enough in college and had gone with Ray because she wanted to increase the load steadily. She talked about how this would probably cost her for the first few years but that she figured she had about as much talent as anyone so she figured that in the long run it would be worth it. I doubt it has been easy over the last few years running well at times and not great at others all the while watching others have breakouts, but running is a sport were instant success is almost always the result of a long hard block of years of training before it.
So people ask what is different with Molly now? why is she running so much faster? The answer is she has finally got her head above water enough to reap the rewards of her last few years of work.
Congrats to her and to Ray for a job well done.
If this was a Russian or African, everyone would be crying DRUGS! But if it's a white American, it's ok. Typical LR double standard
No surprise. She's been on the cusp of doing this for a long time. She's had it in her. It's been a matter of time when training and lack of injuries came together. Expect more from her. I wouldn't be surprised by a sub 31 10K soon. She just turned a 4:09 and earlier this season ran ~15:30. She is one tough driven young women. Watched her in HS and indoor track circuit. If she stays healthy, watch out.
xc gal wrote:
Why does she not have a bio on the USATF website??
Because the USATF is a joke.
Molly Huddle has been at the top for a long time. 2 mile HS record holder (granted the 3200 record is better), also the 5k American junior record holder.
yes agreed Ray Treacy is one of the best womens distances coaches around. Congrats to molly and im excited to see what she can do in the future
ifififi wrote:
If this was a Russian or African, everyone would be crying DRUGS! But if it's a white American, it's ok. Typical LR double standard
If it was a Russian, yes. If it was an African running 14:51, do you think anyone would have even noticed?
Ozzie wrote:
ifififi wrote:If this was a Russian or African, everyone would be crying DRUGS! But if it's a white American, it's ok. Typical LR double standard
If it was a Russian, yes. If it was an African running 14:51, do you think anyone would have even noticed?
I'm confused. Are you African or an African from a European country that's not getting play on a primarily American message board? The thing of it is I've been following Molly Huddle since she was a junior in high school, when she was 16, because she was an American high school and college runner just like I was. Therefore I have a greater interest in the PRs and career of a girl who ran the same meets as me and who I saw run in person several times.
And whoever is insinuating that 14:51 wasn't a surprise, I'm not exactly quite sure what you get from that kind of blatant dishonesty. she drops 15:17 to 15:05 after a few years of something of a plateau. She was a stud in HS and despite the tremendous work ethic of many twenty-somethings, it is frequent that they burn out. You're telling me that coming into this meet you expected Molly Huddle to become the third fastest legal American woman of all time over 5k? I don't think so.
The Jen Rhines comment is irrelevant. Multiple Olympian already when she ran that 5k. And who is to say we weren't shocked at the 14:55 too? Did we all have this same conversation?
Molly's was a very surprising, very incredible performance from someone who has clearly been putting 110% into the sport for a very, very long time now. Although I will say her recent 4:09 should have indicated PR shape. I would not have guessed 14:51 though!
Ozzie wrote:
ifififi wrote:If this was a Russian or African, everyone would be crying DRUGS! But if it\'s a white American, it\'s ok. Typical LR double standard
If it was a Russian, yes. If it was an African running 14:51, do you think anyone would have even noticed?
Good point... in fact there WERE seven Africans at 14:50 or better in that very race.
But awesome race by Huddle to go 14:51.!
I am neither an African or an African from a European country. I'm a white dude from Northern California. I think you misunderstand my post. I was responding to ifififi who stated that we are not suspicious of Huddle being on drugs because she is white, but would be suspicious of a Russian or African who followed the same progression. The intent of my comment was to state that yes, I would be suspicious of a Russian who followed that progression, because I am suspicious of any Russian distance runner who follows basically any progression to the world level, due to that country's recent past. Fair to the individual, no. Reality, yes. On the other hand, an African woman progressing to 14:51 would probably slip under my radar no matter what her progression because there are so many African women running that fast. It would be the same as if a post-collegiate American woman ran 15:30. Nice run, but it doesn't stick out, and I certainly wouldn't speculate as to how it happened. As for Molly Huddle, great job yesterday. I hope there's more to come.
it's not about white person records. if you move from good to elite in a race and you are the only one to do that, your performance is the most significant of the race. Others who have already run around 14:30, who do so, have run what was expected.
see ran a 4.09 1500 meters last week , a 4 second PR
and she ran a 15.05 5k early this year. So do the math
4 seconds one mile 12 seconds for 3 miles, that would be a
14.53 so i can see it.
you are assuming 4:13 shape is equivalent to 15:05 shape for her. did she run 4:13 when she ran 15:05? i have no idea. if so, fair point.
i don't think that changes the fact that it is a huge breakthrough performance.
A white-person record for what? Paula Radcliffe is very white-looking, and she's run 14:29.11. Fernanda Ribiero's at 14:36.45. Olga Yegorova (14:29.32) and Gabriela Szabo (14:31.48) are sort of an off-white, I guess; Gulnara Galkina (14:33.13) is Russian, so that's your call--"individual" or "reality." And just for interest: Ingrid Kristiansen ran .26 of a second slower than Augusto twenty-four years ago.
I'm tired of people sniping at Russians calling them "Mongols", "off-white", 'Asiatic", etc. when English, Greeks, Italians, Germans, Spaniards, and Dutch are as Mongol as Russians given Attila the Hun's visits.
By "off-white," I meant "tainted by drugs." Yegorova failed a drug test that was then nullified when her B-sample was found to be "compromised." Soon afterward, Paula Radcliffe and Hayley Tullett held up signs that read "EPO CHEATS OUT" at the 2001 World Championships in Edmonton before and during the 5000m final, which Yegorova won. Szabo, who is not Russian but Romanian, was caught with drug paraphernalia in her car. They're certainly 100% white, but I question whether they deserve their places on the all-time 5000-meter rankings list.
ummm??? wrote:
Molly Huddle has been at the top for a long time. 2 mile HS record holder (granted the 3200 record is better), also the 5k American junior record holder.
A lot like Ritz. He was almost HSR holder at 13:44.X and nearly the fastest 2M/3200m runner of all-time as a junior and a senior. Then he ran 13:27 as a freshman which would have been an AJR if he was born a few days later, then after many years of working he got the AR.
Is it really so surprising that a girl that ran 10:01y and has the AJR, should get into AR territory now that she has a few years under her belt out of college?