Schumacher quit acting like your training is a breach of Homeland Security

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duckshirt wrote:

i hate it too, although salazar's guys and even the mammoth lakes guys keep their training a secret, too. ritz wouldn't share much on his blog.

i don't get it, it's not like people off the streets are going to start copying you and beating you... the only people in the country (/world) with a shot at beating you already have their own personalized training (which is also secret)

ritz shared sample weeks from every period of training he has been in. N00B.

Dr Di Paquale wrote:

Surely Shirley wrote:

Do you have a link to confirm this information? What report?

There was a Flotrack video of Teg and Solinsky in their apartment in Europe with a bottle of Testoboost on the dresser.

Next.

Actually I think that was Ian Dobson. See this thread:

dim whitman wrote:

RunOnGrass wrote:

Josh Cox reports all of his training on Twitter. You can follow him at JoshCoxRun. Here's a recent entry: "Solid long run. 35.2 miles. Felt good the last 10. 32-35.2 on Green Church Rd. Ran a 4:52 from 32-33. 5:15 last mile."

More evidence that he wastes his best performances in training.

He also said that he ran a sub 14 5k during a 1/2 marathon.. not sure i'd trust all of his training paces

Coaches don't spill "training secrets", they have no reason too. Rather, it is usually people with "Dr." in the front of their names that spill them. These people, Victor Conte for example, have no allegiance to any one coach. Show them the money, they show you the "training secret." Don't be suprised if Africans and Europeans have their own slew of eye popping performances this summer. Sergio Sanchez and recent Ethiopean marathoners ring a bell?

You must release knowledge and train in larger groups, you don't see the York boys being all exclusive with their 100 man cross country teams, if you can get 100 people to all run a minute faster you add depth to many more races with brings stiffer competition and in turn more experience to more people running at a higher level. In the end the coaching for the entire nation gets better, suddenly your depth amongst the world stage gets better and we don't have to act all surprised that someone over 6 foot ran really fast.

The fastest sprinter in the world is a giant amongst his competitors and even his own countrymen why can't the same be said for distance runners?

Teg, Solinsky, Ritz, Lagat, Webb and Rupp can run under 13:00 now. That is fast. A few others will run that fast soon.

We thought 13:20 was fast. They are much faster today. It's a normal progression. The 1990's was a cyclical thing, perhaps poor coaching, perhaps other distractions, but as always the fundamentals emerge. Nice to see it happen.

13:20 was fast when mostly 3:40 1500m guys ran the 5000m and Kenyans and Ethiopians had not begun to dominate the sport. Now the top 5000m runners can do 330-333 for 1500m.

Of the runners you listed, the most successful is the one who runs the least miles. So fundamentals really means the most talented runners are doing the work and racing the high end of effective range, not the lowest.

DaveW wrote:

We thought 13:20 was fast. They are much faster today. It's a normal progression. The 1990's was a cyclical thing, perhaps poor coaching, perhaps other distractions, but as always the fundamentals emerge. Nice to see it happen.

No, this is not a normal progression. Don't kid yourself that this is a normal progression. There is nothing normal about 4 sub four women, two sub 13 men and now 27:00 all within a year. Especially given the previous history of US track and field in these events.

No, it actually means as stated:

Teg, Solinsky, Ritz, Lagat, Webb and Rupp can run under 13:00 now. That is fast. A few others will run that fast soon.

We thought 13:20 was fast. They are much faster today. It's a normal progression. The 1990's was a cyclical thing, perhaps poor coaching, perhaps other distractions, but as always the fundamentals emerge. Nice to see it happen.

So you want someone who has spent a lot of time developing a program to just give it to you? How about doing your own damn research, stop being such a lazy pouting little baby and doing something for yourself for a change? Stop depending on others, they don't owe you a damn thing.

runner39 wrote:

666 wrote:

The secret is: there are no secrets. Seriously, if you think they are doing something new you're just reaching for something you'll probably never have: insane talent.

goes without saying but would just like to learn from the best which could help my training

found some info recently on their group, the long is not easy more like steady/fast, lots of volume type cruise intervals (1mile and 2mile intervals)

The secret is that it's not about you. The problem is that we had 20 years of "teachers" like you. The solution is that you will not be relevant in 2012 when a new generation of runners will experience a thrill.

666 wrote:

The secret is: there are no secrets. Seriously, if you think they are doing something new you're just reaching for something you'll probably never have: insane talent.

Who said that? Ma?

DaveW wrote:

No, it actually means as stated:

Teg, Solinsky, Ritz, Lagat, Webb and Rupp can run under 13:00 now. That is fast. A few others will run that fast soon.

We thought 13:20 was fast. They are much faster today. It's a normal progression. The 1990's was a cyclical thing, perhaps poor coaching, perhaps other distractions, but as always the fundamentals emerge. Nice to see it happen.

Actually, only 3 of those guys (half) have not run under 13 yet. Sure, maybe they can but haven't yet. Webb doesn't even run the 5000, nor should he.

The 1990's was an EPO thing. The 1990's was a healthy cyclist dropping dead thing. If you are going to somehow say that cycling in the 90's was remembered for progression, you are crazy.

But I digress... It becomes a little bit obvious after hearing several interviews about Schumaker's training, is that it is Lydiard derived or inspired. I could be wrong, but all the Lydiard philosophies are all scattered about when they talk about their training and how its going. They seen to take a more aerobic development stance when it comes to training.

It would be cool if our top groups would share with each other so we could get closer to the Ethiopians and Kenyans.

alan webb 5000m PR: 13:10.86 ,he sure can run under 13 in a future

Perspectivation wrote:

No, quite the opposite. Not all coaches are the same believe it or not. Vin Lananna has coached a fair share of post collegiates without little success relative to his ability at the college level. There are numerous other examples. Some high school coaches can't coach college and vice versa. Vin is a genious at managing the various adolescent egos that enter college, seriously. Jerry is likely less of a manager of personalities and more of shaper of mature runners.

Pros need less hand holding and motivating and can handle higher expectations without micro management.

This is probably the closest thing to reason I've read on this thread yet, although I'd say it has less to do with managing egos as it does about considering their athletes' long term development.

I think there is no doubt Vin can churn 'em out in college, but look at the vast majority of his top guys from the Stanford era: they ran their best times in college (or within a year of graduation). Tough to knock it if the system works (and Vin's does- there is no denying his NCAA dominance). But it's not necessarily the best long-term developmental plan. From the sounds of it, Schumacher wasn't as much of a run them into the ground, post-collegiate-success-be-damned type of approach. The stuff leaking about his guys' heavy emphasis on aerobic threshold and tempo type stuff (malmo, anyone?) sounds consistent with this theory.

As for the OP- just go read the old Renato C threads. The thing you need to understand more than anything is that the big breakthroughs are only going to happen after YEARS of consistent aerobic development. You want to know the exact ins and outs of what they're doing? All well and good, but you'd have to see the different phases for the prior 2 years to understand its applicability.

If you think it is the testoboost you be outta your mind.

They have the best Nike has to offer. Training, diet, doctors, altitude houses, alter g's, and lastly talent. There have been quite a few Americans to graduate with the credentials similiar to the Portland boys but they did not have the opportunity to go train at Nike.

The post said: "Schumachers group has been reported to use Testoboost. Alberto's group uses Androgel and allergy medications." Do you have any credible evidence that Alberto's group uses "Androgel"? Who, or where was it "reported" that Schumachers group uses "Testoboost"?

If you make these claims, we would expect you to have something to back it up. If you have a link to anything, we'd like to see the link. If you say it, then back it up. Put up, or shut up.