so i guess the answer is for everyone to keep having too many kids until we run out of our precious resources and the earth is one giant garbage dump? idiot
so i guess the answer is for everyone to keep having too many kids until we run out of our precious resources and the earth is one giant garbage dump? idiot
Ryan has to go back to the track and/or cross country for a year at least. Might be afraid of the marathon right now, at racing one without fear of failure?
hamuel wrote:
so i guess the answer is for everyone to keep having too many kids until we run out of our precious resources and the earth is one giant garbage dump? idiot
Let me know when that happens.
I think there is too much weighing on Ryan Hall's mind. I think most of us, myself included, have great admiration for what Ryan has accomplished, especially the sub 1 hour half and the 2:06 marathon. Those times came when there was far less at stake for him. The sub 1 hour time especially came "out of the blue." We all knew that he was doing very well, especially after his 57 minute clocking for 20km and the 13:15 for 5k, but yes something is amiss for him if he's more than 3 minutes off his PR for the half, especially on a course where a man (Haile) has run 58 minutes.
Now he has the huge sponsorship from a Japanese company to deal with, the Nissan ads, the foundation, all the media attention, and now everyone expects him to run 2:05 or WIN Boston!??!!! Damn I would not want that kind of pressure.
If I were Ryan Hall I would more or less disappear after Boston, get a new cell phone number and email address, and only give that to my coach and family, disappear with my coach, wife and dog to some place in Wyoming, Colorado or Switzerland (not St. Moritz) and just TRAIN. Then show up at Berlin about a day or two before the marathon, refuse ALL interviews, and just RUN FOR FUN.
OFF TOPIC, but this comment caught my eye.
Sagarin wrote:
The legs only have so many hard miles and, especially, marathons in them, and it's not unusual for an athlete to deliver a PR within the first few attempts.
Haile Gebrselassie may be an argument against this statement?
We now return to the programming in progress...
Yep, there are always exceptions, especially the Africans with tiny frames.
Come to America, the best place for screwing up young talent...we could never compete against the international field because the best coaches in America are underground.
C.R.E.A.M. wrote:
Hall is running Boston for the money.
appearance fees baby! also to become the first american to win since meyer, that seems to be his obsession of late.
IMO, he needs to work on his turnover/speed on the track.
He still has a lot of potential PR's on the track. He's become to singular in his focus. Even ritzenhein is still dabbling in XC and track along with his marathon racing.
www.666energy.com wrote:
Now he has the huge sponsorship from a Japanese company to deal with, the Nissan ads, the foundation, all the media attention, and now everyone expects him to run 2:05 or WIN Boston!??!!! Damn I would not want that kind of pressure.
I thought he would run 2:05 because he said he would run 2:05-at New York no less.
All talk, no times. He's been hanging around Josh Cox at altitude too long and getting his ego inflated by his training partners who are 2:12 guys at best.
He has to learn that 5:00 pace at altitude with no fast stuff will not always translate to great marathons. He might be able to run 2:10-2:12 and close better than most to nab 3-5th place, but he will not be able to respond to midrace surges and put himself in contention to win.
He should absolutely return to the track, and he has said he would, but has NOT. He is scared to break out of his training funk-probably caused by overracing marathons with no underdistance speed work/track races. Pretty much all the best marathoners are successful on the track, even after they turn to the marathon-at least in the modern era.
Wags In Illinois wrote:
Might be afraid of the marathon right now, at racing one without fear of failure?
HUH???
the reality of it wrote:
He has to learn that 5:00 pace at altitude with no fast stuff will not always translate to great marathons. He might be able to run 2:10-2:12 and close better than most to nab 3-5th place, but he will not be able to respond to midrace surges and put himself in contention to win.
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My thoughts exactly. He may be doing some great work up there, and altitude is great. He can run 5:00 pace easy as hell at sea level, but he needs to run 4:40s. The only 4:40s or faster work he's doing up there is less aerobic and in shorter segments than it should be.
He's not very interesting. He and many other runners like Ritz (who I love) train so much and race so little.
2 marathons a year are not enough. I wouldn't sponsor that.
He's flaccid!
the reality of it wrote:
Pretty much all the best marathoners are successful on the track, even after they turn to the marathon-at least in the modern era.
Khannouchi, Wanjiru, Kebede, Kwambai, Goumri, Gharib, Lel, Cheruiyot, Merga, Rothlin, da Costa? You're confusing your love of what Ritz did last year post-London with what's the actual norm up top in the marathon. And Ritz hasn't even gone sub-2:10 in the marathon, so he has yet to really show proof of anything at all with regard to the marathon.
What would Jebus do?
hardset nipples wrote:
Khannouchi, Wanjiru, Kebede, Kwambai, Goumri, Gharib, Lel, Cheruiyot, Merga, Rothlin, da Costa? You're confusing your love of what Ritz did last year post-London with what's the actual norm up top in the marathon. And Ritz hasn't even gone sub-2:10 in the marathon, so he has yet to really show proof of anything at all with regard to the marathon.
These are all great marathoners who you mention, but no one runner in the USA is receiving as much attention as Mr. Ryan Hall.
I think that Mr. Hall needs to just go train alone with his coach somewhere and get away from everything.
C.R.E.A.M. wrote:
Hall is running Boston for the money.
Which he won't keep any of... he donates 100 percent of his race earnings to his foundation Hall Steps, helping others in need around the world.
Fact is that Hall is not now, and has never been, a HUNGRY RACER. I saw it in HS, Stanford, and now as a Pro. His natual talent, natural stride, natural wings are unquestionable. He loves to train, loves to run, loves the sound of the heartrate, loves the Zen of running. But does anyone really consider him a great RACER? A guy who is going to go to battle it out when conditions are tough, when its 2 or 3 mano a mano. Ritz has done it. Hall to me is a front runner with a world class stride. When has he ever dug down deep and battled to the death to win?
www.666energy.com wrote:
We all knew that he was doing very well, especially after his 57 minute clocking for 20km and the 13:15 for 5k, but yes something is amiss for him if he's more than 3 minutes off his PR for the half, especially on a course where a man (Haile) has run 58 minutes.
Hall took the race as a training run and "didn´t want to fire all cylinders".
gonchar wrote:
Fact is that Hall is not now, and has never been, a HUNGRY RACER. I saw it in HS, Stanford, and now as a Pro. His natual talent, natural stride, natural wings are unquestionable. He loves to train, loves to run, loves the sound of the heartrate, loves the Zen of running. But does anyone really consider him a great RACER? A guy who is going to go to battle it out when conditions are tough, when its 2 or 3 mano a mano. Ritz has done it. Hall to me is a front runner with a world class stride. When has he ever dug down deep and battled to the death to win?
uuumm...,,,, ever heard of the Olympic Trials ?
Or was it ,you, who won it ?
He was out front and felt great. Anyone can race when they feel great. He never has a gut it out win. He either dominates when he feels good or loses (and he usually gets crushed)
NYC wrote:
gonchar wrote:Fact is that Hall is not now, and has never been, a HUNGRY RACER. I saw it in HS, Stanford, and now as a Pro. His natual talent, natural stride, natural wings are unquestionable. He loves to train, loves to run, loves the sound of the heartrate, loves the Zen of running. But does anyone really consider him a great RACER? A guy who is going to go to battle it out when conditions are tough, when its 2 or 3 mano a mano. Ritz has done it. Hall to me is a front runner with a world class stride. When has he ever dug down deep and battled to the death to win?
uuumm...,,,, ever heard of the Olympic Trials ?
Or was it ,you, who won it ?