My undying love to Brooks and for the Brooks Adrenaline

play-doh! wrote:

mighty porn stache wrote:

Too much stability for you, just right for me and the other guy.

But you agreed with my main point - they LEAVE THE good SHOES ALONE! Who knows how many times I've found a shoe I really like, only to have it disappear forever 12-18 months later. Brooks truly understands runners. They only make running shoes now, and that is great. Nike was created by a coach to make running shoes. I'm sure they make some great models here and there, but then they always change them. Bah! I say to all others.

If so, why did Brooks kill the Burn and replace it with the unwearable Ghost?

Because the real unwearable shoe was the Burn. It was basically a shoe for over-suppinators. That's what? .1% of the market.

The Ghost is a sweet shoe. It's a little short, but it runs really fast for a shoe with so much cushioning. People turnover more quickly in the Ghost than most shoes of the same weight.

play-doh! wrote:

If so, why did Brooks kill the Burn and replace it with the unwearable Ghost?

The Launch (coming out 7/1) replaces the Burn. The Ghost essentially replaced the Radius.

Sports Authority has plenty of pairs of last years model at 59.99!!!!!!!!!

come on wrote:

play-doh! wrote:

If so, why did Brooks kill the Burn and replace it with the unwearable Ghost?

The Launch (coming out 7/1) replaces the Burn. The Ghost essentially replaced the Radius.

When the Burn was phased out many of the shoe reps were telling the Specialty Running Stores that the Ghost was the replacement. I was told this at the Akron Marathon Expo a couple years ago. Then when the Ghost was on the shelves it was quickly obvious that it was not a replacement at all for the Burn. In fact when I brought this up to an individual at Brooks HQ they were surprised to hear that the Specialty Stores were under that impression. When I told them where we were getting that idea from the rep that told us that made it a point to come to our store and tell us that she NEVER told us that. Nevertheless the Launch will be a great shoe that will be replacement for the Burn. Also in my opinion the last version of the Burn was horrible, the previous version was much better for me.

The "pod" thing in the sole of the Burn screwed it up. The Burn version before that "enhancement" was the best Brooks training shoe so far.

I've been wearing the ST-Racer as my main trainer.

Hope the Launch is as good as advertised.

brooks t6 ftw. So far brooks has been nothing but great to me. Great shoes, great customer service, great Brooks ID Program. I will be going to Washington in a few weeks on some camp get away thing and will be lookin forward to what they have to offer.

800 dude wrote:

Because the real unwearable shoe was the Burn. It was basically a shoe for over-suppinators. That's what? .1% of the market?

There is no such thing as an "over-suppinator". I think what you meant is a supinator or an underpronator. And its actually closer to 5%.

I used to wear the Adrenalines as well as the Asics 2130 (?). Never had any complaints (well except one pair of Adrenalines pushed a little into my ankle for some reason and took awhile for them to break-in) and consider these shoes a reference for a normal stability training shoe.

I tried the Brooks Trance once, and then got swayed by a lot of the "minimalism" discussions. So I have taken a half step towards minimalism and most of my shoes are lightweight or performance trainers, like the Asics DS Trainer and the Nike Air Zoom Elite.

I also rotate between several models regularly, on the belief that even if one shoe is bad, I won't injure myself, because I'm not wearing them everyday, but maybe once or twice a week.

Questions for Brooks fans: Does Brooks make a lightweight or performance training shoe? (Is the Axiom a lightweight traininer?) Why do they make two racing shoes (ST racer and the T6 racer)?

I'm not sure if they make any trainer lighter than the Axiom. They Axiom isn't really a lightweight trainer - I believe it is 11.3 oz - until you get below 10 it is not lightweight (just like the Ravenna still is not lightweight at 10.8 oz).

The difference between ST4 and T6 racers - ST4 has stability (hence the "ST") in the form of a DRB - dual roll bar and a straighter last whereas the T6 is on a curved last and is a neutral shoe. T6 is also about an oz lighter i think. If you want to go minimal T6 is absolutely more minimal - fits the foot more like a glove.

play-doh! wrote:

Haven't heard of the Ravenna. (Why name a shoe after an Ohio hell-hole city?)

Wow. You don't get out much, do you? Ravenna is a city in Italy. Your hell-hole Ohio city ain't the only one, bud.

The shoe may also be named after a neighborhood in Seattle.

placido wrote:

play-doh! wrote:

Haven't heard of the Ravenna. (Why name a shoe after an Ohio hell-hole city?)

Wow. You don't get out much, do you? Ravenna is a city in Italy. Your hell-hole Ohio city ain't the only one, bud.

The shoe may also be named after a neighborhood in Seattle.

It's named for the avenue near Brooks HQ in Seattle.

Voice of Ray-san wrote:

Questions for Brooks fans: Does Brooks make a lightweight or performance training shoe? (Is the Axiom a lightweight traininer?) Why do they make two racing shoes (ST racer and the T6 racer)?

The Launch, which is out in July, is a neutral lightweight trainer. It essentailly replaces the Burn, which was discontinued last year.

The Adrenaline is Brooks most popular show, I highly doubt they would risk that by making major changes other than cosmetic.

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runsc wrote:

I am not a fan of the Adrenaline, too much stability for me. I do like Brooks. I like the fact that the leave their shoes alone of a while and when they do change they do not make major changes

Then try the Defyance

well.... wrote:

It's named for the avenue near Brooks HQ in Seattle.

Are you sure? I thought Brooks headquarters is in Bothell. I like running down Ravenna though. It has a nice grassy median that leads from the Burke and close to UW to Green Lake, on which you can race against cars.

You're full of horse shit, they do not. Are they exactly the same? No. Are they the same as a Triax (or even close)? Absolutely not.

Firenze wrote:

well.... wrote:

It's named for the avenue near Brooks HQ in Seattle.

Are you sure? I thought Brooks headquarters is in Bothell. I like running down Ravenna though. It has a nice grassy median that leads from the Burke and close to UW to Green Lake, on which you can race against cars.

Brooks HQ is Bothell, WA 20 miles from Seattle, WA

Ravenna is a street, neighborhood and small but forest-like canyon in Seattle, WA.

Many Brooks employees live and train near Ravenna, or through Ravenna canyon, but they may also be from Ohio or Italy.

None of this matters and shoes names are somewhat arbitrary.

I started with brooks adrenaline in 1999 and I have very rarely worn anything else. I took my old shoes to a recycling donation drop last year and I had about 20 pairs. I love them to death and I won't wear anything else as long as brooks keeps making them.

So yeah, you can mark me down for undying love.

the ghost really does suck. the front "pods" that are supposed to mimic the shape of the ball of the foot and toes just make the forefoot bulky and thick, while the heel has completely inadequate cushioning. it is also not at all light for a shoe that everyone puts in the lightweight category.

i have high hopes for the Ravenna and the Launch though. Brooks makes some good shoes, I particularly like the defyance for an all around trainer and the T5 racer for races and speed workouts.