Jordan Mc wrote:
Josh ran a solo 7:54 for his first race of the season. Not terrible for shaking off the rust.
Not his first race of the season - take a look at this 5000 mark of 13:45, if I recall correctly.
Jordan Mc wrote:
Josh ran a solo 7:54 for his first race of the season. Not terrible for shaking off the rust.
Not his first race of the season - take a look at this 5000 mark of 13:45, if I recall correctly.
Is this the thread for Be Kind, Rewind?
Mos Def is most definitely awesome.
a few things...
I believe this is McD's first race since running a 5k at the liberty track (his 13:45) post xc. The race today looked very controlled basically opening in 63's and maybe losing a couple of seconds in the middle.. Its amazing how much his performances are taken for granted sometimes. His performances have almost become mundane to most spectators, because its just McD winning another race. But 7:54 solo! that fairly incredible. While most people have to fly around the country to find races, this guy can run a home meet and sum up his qualifying essentially alone... pretty amazing stuff
not too sure about that wrote:
irun wrote:it might be that he runs faster for the 1500m off 80-90 mile weeks.
yeah i'm pretty sure that his 3:57 mile was off of a 125 or so mile week so i don't think you really know what you are talking about
are you pretty sure? do you run with the team? are you his close friend? are you his coach, family member, or fellow church confidante?
maybe he could run faster than 3:57 with lower mileage. you should tend toward keeping an open mind, not tend toward keeping a closed one.
Really? Are people still trying to say this kid doesn't know what he is doing? Really?
One phrase for you: NCAA Cross Country Champion
I've got him down for two more national titles before he graduates.
I do know Josh very well and he only ran 110 miles the week of his 3:57. Those of you who quibble about this not being his first race, his other two races were run the week after x-c nationals, before he took his Christmas break and started his buildup.
Also irun does not seem to understand that Josh is not trying to be a world class miler. He is training to be a world class 5k and 10k runner. All that 3:57 indicated was that his training was going well as shown by his 13:20 two weeks later. As for all of you who criticize his training, he has done pretty well formulating and inplementing his own training plan since high school. The only time he deviated from this was when he got a new coach who implemented the Stanford program, which got him 27th at x-c Nats
why would i think he's trying to be a world class miler? what would make me think he could be? he didn't start to develop any good speed until jimmerson started coaching him, who was having him do 200m bursts and pushups in between. i think you missed my point about how his 3:57 isn't exemplary of his real potential at that distance(not that he is seeking it) because of the work load he puts behind it. and mcdougal is probably going to be a marathoner, depending on what he puts out this season.
200 meter bursts and pushups? I don't think that's why he ran 3:57
He just ran 4:05 to win the mile.
nice. he's not running the 5 too is he? i'm all for it if he does but i don't know how smart it would be.
no but i think jimmerson worked a lot with him on improving his core strength and speed.
McDougal tends to peak too early. When he ran that 3:57 last year, people thought, "Just wait until he sharpens," but he was sharp. Turns out, he was right at peak form when he delivered that 13:20 5k around the same time. The trick for him won't be getting the taper right, but not peaking early if he is serious about an Olympic bid. I would prefer not to see him racing right now at all; indoors is a rather meaningless activity. Even so, if he can carry that 7:54 as a split enroute to an outdoor 5k PR later this year, he should have roughly 13:10/27:20 credentials, which would make him a contender.
You have to remember that Josh is on a full scholarship to Liberty. That entails representing his school in the conference meet and scoring as many points as possible with as little effort. He is not a professional runner even though I'm sure he could have gone pro after cross. He wants to stay in college and pay his school back for what it has given him.I would think a 4:05 was done without much effort as I'm sure he would say he has done workouts harder than that. BTW I don't think whipping Rupp in NCAA's cross was peaking too early.
oh whatever. he wants to pay God back. that means siezing each opportunity he can, but the real glory comes closer to harvest season, so i agree with the above poster: indoors is rather meaningless, a good opportunity to test the wheels and the fitness and see where one is at, and it did seem like he peaked early last year, but he learned well from the xc season before this past one, and hopefully he'll not put too much into ncaa's for the sake of really going after a good outdoor summer season in europe or at least save it for the trials.
He's paying Liberty back. Just the same if you have a full ride to Stanford or Oregon. At some point you have to compete for your school - even one as fortunate as Galen Rupp has to. If Josh did not want to run in college he would be a pro by now, he wants to run for Liberty. As for the Olympics, Josh is not doing anything that would jeopordize his training for the trials. After all he's not running around doing indoor miles - albeit not very fast - like Rupp. BTW I don't see anyone ripping Solinsky or Teg for running indoors.
Old Dog wrote:
He's paying Liberty back. Just the same if you have a full ride to Stanford or Oregon. At some point you have to compete for your school - even one as fortunate as Galen Rupp has to. If Josh did not want to run in college he would be a pro by now, he wants to run for Liberty. As for the Olympics, Josh is not doing anything that would jeopordize his training for the trials. After all he's not running around doing indoor miles - albeit not very fast - like Rupp. BTW I don't see anyone ripping Solinsky or Teg for running indoors.
He's paying Jerry Falwell back. RIP
A few points about Josh.
Jimmerson is a great coach.
Peaking is far more difficult for high mileage runners. If you are running 130mpw then your taper week should not dip much under 95-100mpw. It is difficult for most people to understand this because they see 100mpw as difficult and couldn't possibly be enough rest.
Jimmerson is beginning to comprehend this.
Brian Sell is a perfect example of someone that understands this. He runs 150-160mpw and will run 110mpw the week of a marathon.
The body will feel lethargic, sloppy, and a percieved loss of conditioning if a runner like McDougal tapers to 70-80mpw.
Great Post.
That is why McDougal should run for the Hansons if he plans to move to the marathon.
McDougal running for Hansons would be like the Heisman winner going to play for a team in the CFL. No offense to Hansons...but they ain't the team for national champions.
Without question, the best running camp for marathoning is at Mammoth with Meb, Deena, and Hall. That camp has Olympic medals to prove it. Hansons, at best, have grabbed a 4th and 3rd at the last two US trials.