again, the coaches didn't decide the heat. The discipline, errr heat, was decided by the Administration after the young lady was sent to the hospital. Why is that so hard to comprehend. And lastly, why does the article not clearly state that well known fact and the athletes comprehend they were not allowed to compete once it was elevated to the Administration?
kinda my point. once the admins got involved it was out of the coaches hands. so i am in agreement with you.
“She asked me if I had faith and then suggested, ‘maybe that’s something you should try,’” Armentrout said, noting that he is not a religious person and that he felt dismissed by Reckart. “When I was at the single lowest point in my life, she tried to change my religion.”
To me, this reads as Coach Reckart, likely a religious person, looked inward on what has helped her through her own difficult times and did her best to provide advice. Coaches are not professional mental health counselors but are expected to be. Offering someone to seek guidance through faith does not automatically make a coach a bad person, and her one comment does not seem to come across as forcing her religion on anybody as the student implies.
Suggesting religion isn't necessarily bad in itself. What is damning is the fact that that was her only attempt to help the young man. As a coach, I can't imagine telling one of my athletes to just hop down to church on a Sunday afternoon. I will help them set up a meeting with our campus counselors, bring them in the office and let them vent, check in on them daily.
Suggesting religion isn't necessarily bad in itself. What is damning is the fact that that was her only attempt to help the young man. As a coach, I can't imagine telling one of my athletes to just hop down to church on a Sunday afternoon. I will help them set up a meeting with our campus counselors, bring them in the office and let them vent, check in on them daily.
Some coaches actually care about their athletes.
This is a guy who got belligerently drunk and overslept weekend practice.
Reckhart stayed late on a weekend to coach this boy for the workout. She delayed going home to her children on a weekend for this dude. Sure seems like she cares about the athlete's success.
But the boy showed up to the practice DRUNK!
Clearly this boy isn't telling the truth, he's at best grossly exaggerating and probably even straight up making up lies.
Read the entire thing. Only thing I forgot to add was that they threw a party right before Nuttycomb and it seems like all of the non senior top 7 decided not to attend.
Reckhart isn't that great of a coach but the only thing this shows is the the 2024 Duke men's class was a massive cancer to the team
I was on the team and would say it was quite the opposite. The ‘24 men were all great guys that everyone loved. The house party they “hosted” was an annual track-wide team party that moreso happened to be at their house. One person got transported because of drinking on meds and Duke admin was notified and the coaches had to put the heat on someone, so it was the guys house even though they did nothing but generously provide the venue for an event that has occurred annually on the track team for 10+ years.
This^
A 100+ person annual event goes on and they're supposed to watch over every single person? Sure it's not completely innocent but I would put most blame on the person who was transported as well as their close friends. Different event group, different gender, multiple years younger, I don't think the senior xc guys hold full accountability on 1 person who took it too far. For the record, the event was less so a party and more a 'homecoming'-esque get together primarily consisted of a slideshow for the new comers. Alcohol was just on the side and a single person had too much while 50% of the crowd were sober Sallys.
For all you talking down on those guys, it's clear you have never met them. They are great people and loved by the whole team, who unanimously agrees they unfairly had to take the bullet. As for missing out on Nuttycombe (and thus "not being able to qualify for nationals"- likely wouldn't have anyway), I don't think that was nearly as evil as taking back scholarships.
2 of the guys literally lost their 5th year scholarship (like 100k!) over this bs. That's a life changing punishment for something as redundant as hosting some annual event (which they were reluctant to do, and pressured because the track team had no other option). Every single person on the team disagreed with their scholarships being revoked, other than Wilbourn who could use it on some precious pre-developed grad transfers that could bring them ACC points to finish in the top 10 next year (since he can't develop them himself). In fact, it's highly speculated that it was all part of the coach's plan to get back scholarship money and were looking for an excuse. Don't listen to these guys saying otherwise, they clearly had no relation to the team (or are maybe the coach's themselves- I know they are LR frequenters).
Seems like a terrible culture for their program and university. Hard to imagine they can ever be successful as a team. Certainly shows why they have not been in many many years.
There's a lot more to it than that. You are editing and slanting in Duke's favor.
I recommend reading the entirety
Read the entire thing. Only thing I forgot to add was that they threw a party right before Nuttycomb and it seems like all of the non senior top 7 decided not to attend.
Reckhart isn't that great of a coach but the only thing this shows is the the 2024 Duke men's class was a massive cancer to the team
If you are a male and run at Duke you are declaring you are a Beta Cu(k. No one with any promise or actual running desire goes there
Stories like this should make everyone scared to coach. What is a college coach anyway? Someone that is supposed to make you better at running and look out for the best interest of the university.
As these stories come out it seems like more and more athletes want to get better at running with ZERO accountability and the coach is supposed to be a one stop shop for all your problems but never be honest or challenge you.
Sounds like the perfect Duke coach is a training spreadsheet and unlimited travel funds to races
I was on the team and would say it was quite the opposite. The ‘24 men were all great guys that everyone loved. The house party they “hosted” was an annual track-wide team party that moreso happened to be at their house. One person got transported because of drinking on meds and Duke admin was notified and the coaches had to put the heat on someone, so it was the guys house even though they did nothing but generously provide the venue for an event that has occurred annually on the track team for 10+ years.
This^
A 100+ person annual event goes on and they're supposed to watch over every single person? Sure it's not completely innocent but I would put most blame on the person who was transported as well as their close friends. Different event group, different gender, multiple years younger, I don't think the senior xc guys hold full accountability on 1 person who took it too far. For the record, the event was less so a party and more a 'homecoming'-esque get together primarily consisted of a slideshow for the new comers. Alcohol was just on the side and a single person had too much while 50% of the crowd were sober Sallys.
For all you talking down on those guys, it's clear you have never met them. They are great people and loved by the whole team, who unanimously agrees they unfairly had to take the bullet. As for missing out on Nuttycombe (and thus "not being able to qualify for nationals"- likely wouldn't have anyway), I don't think that was nearly as evil as taking back scholarships.
2 of the guys literally lost their 5th year scholarship (like 100k!) over this bs. That's a life changing punishment for something as redundant as hosting some annual event (which they were reluctant to do, and pressured because the track team had no other option). Every single person on the team disagreed with their scholarships being revoked, other than Wilbourn who could use it on some precious pre-developed grad transfers that could bring them ACC points to finish in the top 10 next year (since he can't develop them himself). In fact, it's highly speculated that it was all part of the coach's plan to get back scholarship money and were looking for an excuse. Don't listen to these guys saying otherwise, they clearly had no relation to the team (or are maybe the coach's themselves- I know they are LR frequenters).
Multiple years younger????? So they served alcohol to an UNDERAGE teammate who was taking medication?
The coaches initially agreed to give them their scholarships for 5th years. Likewise, the members of the team agreed to FOLLOW THE TEAM RULES. They did not follow the rules and thus there is 100% grounds for not giving them the extra 5th year.
By the way there is a zero percent change it was a 100% scholarship. These were guys that never scored an individual point at an ACC track championship. They also had opportunities to transfer anywhere else and land scholarships at their new schools.
A 100+ person annual event goes on and they're supposed to watch over every single person? Sure it's not completely innocent but I would put most blame on the person who was transported as well as their close friends. Different event group, different gender, multiple years younger, I don't think the senior xc guys hold full accountability on 1 person who took it too far. For the record, the event was less so a party and more a 'homecoming'-esque get together primarily consisted of a slideshow for the new comers. Alcohol was just on the side and a single person had too much while 50% of the crowd were sober Sallys.
For all you talking down on those guys, it's clear you have never met them. They are great people and loved by the whole team, who unanimously agrees they unfairly had to take the bullet. As for missing out on Nuttycombe (and thus "not being able to qualify for nationals"- likely wouldn't have anyway), I don't think that was nearly as evil as taking back scholarships.
2 of the guys literally lost their 5th year scholarship (like 100k!) over this bs. That's a life changing punishment for something as redundant as hosting some annual event (which they were reluctant to do, and pressured because the track team had no other option). Every single person on the team disagreed with their scholarships being revoked, other than Wilbourn who could use it on some precious pre-developed grad transfers that could bring them ACC points to finish in the top 10 next year (since he can't develop them himself). In fact, it's highly speculated that it was all part of the coach's plan to get back scholarship money and were looking for an excuse. Don't listen to these guys saying otherwise, they clearly had no relation to the team (or are maybe the coach's themselves- I know they are LR frequenters).
Multiple years younger????? So they served alcohol to an UNDERAGE teammate who was taking medication?
The coaches initially agreed to give them their scholarships for 5th years. Likewise, the members of the team agreed to FOLLOW THE TEAM RULES. They did not follow the rules and thus there is 100% grounds for not giving them the extra 5th year.
By the way there is a zero percent change it was a 100% scholarship. These were guys that never scored an individual point at an ACC track championship. They also had opportunities to transfer anywhere else and land scholarships at their new schools.
This is why they continue to have trouble recruiting.
Seems like a terrible culture for their program and university. Hard to imagine they can ever be successful as a team. Certainly shows why they have not been in many many years.
Not every team has to have a life-running balance like NAU/BYU etc. People can have fun. Sure, a partying team likely won't become a top-10 NCAA program, but that's not everyone's goal. These kids are at college to prepare for their career and ENJOY their running experience. For some people, enjoyment comes from mimicking a professional athlete but most like to have some balance. I personally think many people take it too seriously.
Maybe you can walk out of college with a 5k PR 15 seconds faster but at the cost of de-prioritizing other aspects of life like school, making friends, partying, etc. 5 years down the line when you're still selling insurance, nobody (including yourself) is going to care whether you were a 13:55 or a 13:40 guy. If you're Nico Young or Grant fisher, then that commitment is surely worth it but for 95+% of these D1 athletes I personally believe they put too much pressure on themselves (as well as receive too much pressure from coaches).
A 100+ person annual event goes on and they're supposed to watch over every single person? Sure it's not completely innocent but I would put most blame on the person who was transported as well as their close friends. Different event group, different gender, multiple years younger, I don't think the senior xc guys hold full accountability on 1 person who took it too far. For the record, the event was less so a party and more a 'homecoming'-esque get together primarily consisted of a slideshow for the new comers. Alcohol was just on the side and a single person had too much while 50% of the crowd were sober Sallys.
For all you talking down on those guys, it's clear you have never met them. They are great people and loved by the whole team, who unanimously agrees they unfairly had to take the bullet. As for missing out on Nuttycombe (and thus "not being able to qualify for nationals"- likely wouldn't have anyway), I don't think that was nearly as evil as taking back scholarships.
2 of the guys literally lost their 5th year scholarship (like 100k!) over this bs. That's a life changing punishment for something as redundant as hosting some annual event (which they were reluctant to do, and pressured because the track team had no other option). Every single person on the team disagreed with their scholarships being revoked, other than Wilbourn who could use it on some precious pre-developed grad transfers that could bring them ACC points to finish in the top 10 next year (since he can't develop them himself). In fact, it's highly speculated that it was all part of the coach's plan to get back scholarship money and were looking for an excuse. Don't listen to these guys saying otherwise, they clearly had no relation to the team (or are maybe the coach's themselves- I know they are LR frequenters).
You are literally mad the coaches didn't give an optional 5th year to alcoholic teammates who gave an underage teammate alcohol while on meds, and instead they gave scholarships to even FASTER grad transfers and a really strong incoming freshman class?
I'm sure those seniors were well liked on the team - they gave everyone free booze! Does that make them good teammates? Hell no!
It goes to show how crappy of a team culture you had when you denigrate sober athletes as "Sallys"
A 100+ person annual event goes on and they're supposed to watch over every single person? Sure it's not completely innocent but I would put most blame on the person who was transported as well as their close friends. Different event group, different gender, multiple years younger, I don't think the senior xc guys hold full accountability on 1 person who took it too far. For the record, the event was less so a party and more a 'homecoming'-esque get together primarily consisted of a slideshow for the new comers. Alcohol was just on the side and a single person had too much while 50% of the crowd were sober Sallys.
For all you talking down on those guys, it's clear you have never met them. They are great people and loved by the whole team, who unanimously agrees they unfairly had to take the bullet. As for missing out on Nuttycombe (and thus "not being able to qualify for nationals"- likely wouldn't have anyway), I don't think that was nearly as evil as taking back scholarships.
2 of the guys literally lost their 5th year scholarship (like 100k!) over this bs. That's a life changing punishment for something as redundant as hosting some annual event (which they were reluctant to do, and pressured because the track team had no other option). Every single person on the team disagreed with their scholarships being revoked, other than Wilbourn who could use it on some precious pre-developed grad transfers that could bring them ACC points to finish in the top 10 next year (since he can't develop them himself). In fact, it's highly speculated that it was all part of the coach's plan to get back scholarship money and were looking for an excuse. Don't listen to these guys saying otherwise, they clearly had no relation to the team (or are maybe the coach's themselves- I know they are LR frequenters).
Multiple years younger????? So they served alcohol to an UNDERAGE teammate who was taking medication?
The coaches initially agreed to give them their scholarships for 5th years. Likewise, the members of the team agreed to FOLLOW THE TEAM RULES. They did not follow the rules and thus there is 100% grounds for not giving them the extra 5th year.
By the way there is a zero percent change it was a 100% scholarship. These were guys that never scored an individual point at an ACC track championship. They also had opportunities to transfer anywhere else and land scholarships at their new schools.
UNDERAGE drinking in college!!!???? Oh no!
You probably didn't go to college or had no social life.
And yes it was 100% scholarship. I know for a fact. Part of recruiting package for that class was that their 5th year would be 100%, so they had to pay tuition through undergrad and then were promised a paid 1-year business masters.
Duke is where runners go to end their careers. It’s been this way for many years, particularly on the men’s side. They get great recruits who prefer involving themself in the Duke social/professional scene than training hard.
These kids are soft / yes, the best kids get extra attention from the coach / no, you’re coach isn’t your therapist - go find your own therapist if you want one, you’re an adult / it’s not your coach’s fault you drank too much. Grow up, kids. Life ain’t fair. Get used to it.
A 100+ person annual event goes on and they're supposed to watch over every single person? Sure it's not completely innocent but I would put most blame on the person who was transported as well as their close friends. Different event group, different gender, multiple years younger, I don't think the senior xc guys hold full accountability on 1 person who took it too far. For the record, the event was less so a party and more a 'homecoming'-esque get together primarily consisted of a slideshow for the new comers. Alcohol was just on the side and a single person had too much while 50% of the crowd were sober Sallys.
For all you talking down on those guys, it's clear you have never met them. They are great people and loved by the whole team, who unanimously agrees they unfairly had to take the bullet. As for missing out on Nuttycombe (and thus "not being able to qualify for nationals"- likely wouldn't have anyway), I don't think that was nearly as evil as taking back scholarships.
2 of the guys literally lost their 5th year scholarship (like 100k!) over this bs. That's a life changing punishment for something as redundant as hosting some annual event (which they were reluctant to do, and pressured because the track team had no other option). Every single person on the team disagreed with their scholarships being revoked, other than Wilbourn who could use it on some precious pre-developed grad transfers that could bring them ACC points to finish in the top 10 next year (since he can't develop them himself). In fact, it's highly speculated that it was all part of the coach's plan to get back scholarship money and were looking for an excuse. Don't listen to these guys saying otherwise, they clearly had no relation to the team (or are maybe the coach's themselves- I know they are LR frequenters).
You are literally mad the coaches didn't give an optional 5th year to alcoholic teammates who gave an underage teammate alcohol while on meds, and instead they gave scholarships to even FASTER grad transfers and a really strong incoming freshman class?
I'm sure those seniors were well liked on the team - they gave everyone free booze! Does that make them good teammates? Hell no!
It goes to show how crappy of a team culture you had when you denigrate sober athletes as "Sallys"
Stop acting like you know what happened. You are either a random or Coach Reck herself.
Alcoholics? Absolutely not.
Giving alcohol to an underage on meds? That's a very skewed way to phrase it.
Were they good teammates? YES. They were my teammates and fostered a great team culture. They were focused athletes who hosted a single party that got overblown. They motivated the rest of the team to dedicate themselves to running. Don't tell me about my friends when you have never even met them. You've just heard a single story and are think you know who they are. Don't listen to LR threads, hell don't even listen to me since you can't prove I knew them. Why don't you DM some of the Duke athletes themselves and ask. I'm sure they would all agree with what I'm saying.
Not every team has to have a life-running balance like NAU/BYU etc. People can have fun. Sure, a partying team likely won't become a top-10 NCAA program, but that's not everyone's goal. These kids are at college to prepare for their career and ENJOY their running experience. For some people, enjoyment comes from mimicking a professional athlete but most like to have some balance. I personally think many people take it too seriously.
Maybe you can walk out of college with a 5k PR 15 seconds faster but at the cost of de-prioritizing other aspects of life like school, making friends, partying, etc. 5 years down the line when you're still selling insurance, nobody (including yourself) is going to care whether you were a 13:55 or a 13:40 guy. If you're Nico Young or Grant fisher, then that commitment is surely worth it but for 95+% of these D1 athletes I personally believe they put too much pressure on themselves (as well as receive too much pressure from coaches).
If this is actually your attitude, then the coach should have kicked you off the team on her first day of practice. You are cancerous to a team.
I was on the team and would say it was quite the opposite. The ‘24 men were all great guys that everyone loved. The house party they “hosted” was an annual track-wide team party that moreso happened to be at their house. One person got transported because of drinking on meds and Duke admin was notified and the coaches had to put the heat on someone, so it was the guys house even though they did nothing but generously provide the venue for an event that has occurred annually on the track team for 10+ years.
This^
A 100+ person annual event goes on and they're supposed to watch over every single person? Sure it's not completely innocent but I would put most blame on the person who was transported as well as their close friends. Different event group, different gender, multiple years younger, I don't think the senior xc guys hold full accountability on 1 person who took it too far. For the record, the event was less so a party and more a 'homecoming'-esque get together primarily consisted of a slideshow for the new comers. Alcohol was just on the side and a single person had too much while 50% of the crowd were sober Sallys.
For all you talking down on those guys, it's clear you have never met them. They are great people and loved by the whole team, who unanimously agrees they unfairly had to take the bullet. As for missing out on Nuttycombe (and thus "not being able to qualify for nationals"- likely wouldn't have anyway), I don't think that was nearly as evil as taking back scholarships.
2 of the guys literally lost their 5th year scholarship (like 100k!) over this bs. That's a life changing punishment for something as redundant as hosting some annual event (which they were reluctant to do, and pressured because the track team had no other option). Every single person on the team disagreed with their scholarships being revoked, other than Wilbourn who could use it on some precious pre-developed grad transfers that could bring them ACC points to finish in the top 10 next year (since he can't develop them himself). In fact, it's highly speculated that it was all part of the coach's plan to get back scholarship money and were looking for an excuse. Don't listen to these guys saying otherwise, they clearly had no relation to the team (or are maybe the coach's themselves- I know they are LR frequenters).
Don't have a party middle of the season then? Could have easily been done at the very start or after XC ended. Especially since you guys ran like garbage at UVA. What is their to celebrate?
As far as I know, no one is obligated to receive money for the covid year. The senior class was underperforming and being dicks sounds like they learned that you can't just skate by and receive a bunch of money. They didn't get it done they'll find someone that will. Wilborn has won track titles, something that I never thought I'd ever see at Duke. Maybe you guys could have contributed instead of partying and whining
Embarrassing that your using coach k as your name because he would have ended these softies especially when you're coming 7th in the ACC.
Stop acting like you know what happened. You are either a random or Coach Reck herself.
Alcoholics? Absolutely not.
Giving alcohol to an underage on meds? That's a very skewed way to phrase it.
Were they good teammates? YES. They were my teammates and fostered a great team culture. They were focused athletes who hosted a single party that got overblown. They motivated the rest of the team to dedicate themselves to running. Don't tell me about my friends when you have never even met them. You've just heard a single story and are think you know who they are. Don't listen to LR threads, hell don't even listen to me since you can't prove I knew them. Why don't you DM some of the Duke athletes themselves and ask. I'm sure they would all agree with what I'm saying.
Why don't you post your real name then? Then I'll DM your duke teammates to confirm.
At least have the courage to put your name behind your statements.
A 100+ person annual event goes on and they're supposed to watch over every single person? Sure it's not completely innocent but I would put most blame on the person who was transported as well as their close friends. Different event group, different gender, multiple years younger, I don't think the senior xc guys hold full accountability on 1 person who took it too far. For the record, the event was less so a party and more a 'homecoming'-esque get together primarily consisted of a slideshow for the new comers. Alcohol was just on the side and a single person had too much while 50% of the crowd were sober Sallys.
For all you talking down on those guys, it's clear you have never met them. They are great people and loved by the whole team, who unanimously agrees they unfairly had to take the bullet. As for missing out on Nuttycombe (and thus "not being able to qualify for nationals"- likely wouldn't have anyway), I don't think that was nearly as evil as taking back scholarships.
2 of the guys literally lost their 5th year scholarship (like 100k!) over this bs. That's a life changing punishment for something as redundant as hosting some annual event (which they were reluctant to do, and pressured because the track team had no other option). Every single person on the team disagreed with their scholarships being revoked, other than Wilbourn who could use it on some precious pre-developed grad transfers that could bring them ACC points to finish in the top 10 next year (since he can't develop them himself). In fact, it's highly speculated that it was all part of the coach's plan to get back scholarship money and were looking for an excuse. Don't listen to these guys saying otherwise, they clearly had no relation to the team (or are maybe the coach's themselves- I know they are LR frequenters).
You are literally mad the coaches didn't give an optional 5th year to alcoholic teammates who gave an underage teammate alcohol while on meds, and instead they gave scholarships to even FASTER grad transfers and a really strong incoming freshman class?
I'm sure those seniors were well liked on the team - they gave everyone free booze! Does that make them good teammates? Hell no!
It goes to show how crappy of a team culture you had when you denigrate sober athletes as "Sallys"
Dude you gotta relax hahaha. Calling them alcoholics? Cmon man don’t be ridiculous.
I recently ran at a d1 school similar in academics and xc performance as duke. Sometimes kids party. Sometimes the fast kids party in the early parts of the season, too. Listen to the duke xc team member posting on here. College track teams all over the country have annual parties. Whoever was drinking on meds that was their own fault—how is everyone supposed to know what medication everyone else is on?
you sound like such a b0ner who was never invited to parties (or if you were, you were too scared to attend them)