It's funny, when Nguse beat Kerr in Zurich last year by a vest, Americans here were saying it proved that Kerr had gotten lucky, and Jakob amd Nuguse had been ill in Budapest.
Eh, I think most of us were just calling for Ramsden to be banned forever from pacing a DL after completely ruining Kerr’s chance at a fast time. The Nuguse sick thing hadn’t been disclosed yet.
I don't think Hocker will care what the result is. I would think it's a huge mental letdown after winning the Olympic 1500 like that, and it will be hard to summon that kind of a race form his body again. That said, I hope they both run killer times, I'm looking forward to watching. I think Jakob has a WR in him if properly paced.
It's funny, when Nguse beat Kerr in Zurich last year by a vest, Americans here were saying it proved that Kerr had gotten lucky, and Jakob amd Nuguse had been ill in Budapest.
It's called motivated reasoning. People bend information to fit their preferred interpretation of the world
I don’t think Hocker will win. Yes he somehow peaked incredibly for the olympics but he is notorious for underperforming in diamond leagues. If Jakob runs 3:25-3:26 and Hocker runs 3:28-3:29 he should be happy with that.
“notorious for underperforming in diamond leagues”
I’ll never understand why people make up narratives on LR.
Cole has 3 done only diamond league miles, all of them being prefontaine.
2022 - 3:50 (1500 PR was 3:31)
2023 - 3:48 (1500 PR was 3:30)
2024 - 3:48 (1500 PR was 3:30)
And what did he place in all of them? You are also excluding 1500s he has participated inc what did he place in those?
“notorious for underperforming in diamond leagues”
I’ll never understand why people make up narratives on LR.
Cole has 3 done only diamond league miles, all of them being prefontaine.
2022 - 3:50 (1500 PR was 3:31)
2023 - 3:48 (1500 PR was 3:30)
2024 - 3:48 (1500 PR was 3:30)
Nor were his 1500m times so bad last year with a 3:32.13 at London DL and 3:32.0 in Zurich 8 days after his 3:30.7 in the Budapest final. That’s why with more rest my baseline pick is 3:28.5-3:29.5 and a top 3 finish in Lausanne. I still expect Jakob to win because he’ll get 1K of pacing and I suspect Hocker will have enjoyed his gold medal a bit.
The point is his placement in the races, which were very poor compared to what he just did a week ago.
Yea 327 is not happening again in 2024 for Cole . Maybe a fraction under 330 and that would be a great effort . more likely a 331-332 with Inge taking a rather boring win in 329
I don’t think Hocker will win. Yes he somehow peaked incredibly for the olympics but he is notorious for underperforming in diamond leagues. If Jakob runs 3:25-3:26 and Hocker runs 3:28-3:29 he should be happy with that.
I expect Jakob to win in a fast time, but people hyping up a world record are gonna be disappointed. Monaco still likely runs at least a few tenths faster than other tracks, and Jakob was training for a peak in Paris. We'll probably see another 3:27.
Hocker could easily win again, but my suspicion is that he'll find it hard to psych himself up for this one after the high of the Olympics, and maybe he hasn't been training as much since.
The point is his placement in the races, which were very poor compared to what he just did a week ago.
Relevance? He finished 9th (in a blanket finish) and 6th in his 2 post-Budapest DLs. At Pre, he finished 7th this year despite a near-fall. Obviously it is expected now that he has months of healthy training, he should be more competitive this year. Last year, he was sticking his nose in it and fading in some of these races. This year, 3 of his last 4 races he’s closed hard off of respectable paces.
According to the diamond league page, both are lined up to race. The fun continues!
I don’t remember how Centro did in his first Diamond League after Rio, nor Jakob after Tokyo. No one will care nor remember if Jakob wins this next one. They will just remember that Hocker won the Paris Olympics in 2024.
Nor were his 1500m times so bad last year with a 3:32.13 at London DL and 3:32.0 in Zurich 8 days after his 3:30.7 in the Budapest final. That’s why with more rest my baseline pick is 3:28.5-3:29.5 and a top 3 finish in Lausanne. I still expect Jakob to win because he’ll get 1K of pacing and I suspect Hocker will have enjoyed his gold medal a bit.
The point is his placement in the races, which were very poor compared to what he just did a week ago.
The point can't be placement. If he's a 3:31 runner and he runs 3:31-3:32, he ran well even if he finished last. Don't be a simpleton.
Huge advantage for Jakob is that he will likely have pacers for 1000-1200m, depending who they can get to rabbit. He should have much more left in the tank that final 300 meters where he makes the other runners hurt. Yes, Hocker might be able to still hold on, but Jakobs last 150 in a rabbited race is unmatched to anyone.
Hocker has the same advantage - and then some. Same as in the olympic final.
Hocker is very lightly raced, though. Do I think he will run 3:27 again? Probably not, but I think 3:28-29 is highly possible. The turnaround is better than Kerr last year for instance (that was 8 days), and he will have Jakob to push the pace after the rabbit.
Agree -if Jakob wants pacers / pacing lights (most likely). But he is also “crazy” enough to mimic the OG final to see if he could get it right this time (the pace, the win, the time)….