Like, in the sea of dogsh1t opinions that is LRC, this sails majestically above them.
Timeout. Go sit in corner and think about what you've done.
Hocker had the most impressive performance due to the expectations and obviously the fact that a win came with an olympic gold medal.
But, in a vacuum, jakobs run would have been “more impressive.” If this were some random diamond league, what jakob did would have been more impressive.
3:28.2 leading the entire way is a stronger showing than 3:27.6 with a pacer for 1400+ meters. Does any of that matter? No. He lost. But freaking out over this take like it’s completely asinine is stupid.
The only thing from the original post I take significant issue with is calling it “one of the greatest achievements in athletics history.” One of the greatest shows of strength? Sure, he ran over a second faster than anyone else ever has from the front. Is 4th at the olympics in any context an all time great achievement? No
Yes, everyone faced high expectations -and hocker came away with the gold but you are doing a massive disservice by saying that this time is only impressive in a diamond league with pacers. He did it by doing all the work.
Yes, he lost. However, saying that none of it matters is a braindead take. Nobody in history was running a time like this in a global final and winning at the same time.
This is the most unhinged cope I've ever seen. 3:28 isn't special anymore. If Jakob ran a PB and got fourth, your argument would still suck but it would make a little more sense.
None? I’m literally just pointing out a fantastic performance somebody performed in the race? Do you actually want to refute me or just call me names lol.
I must ask> So your point here is that the guy who got 4th somehow performed better than the 3 guys who beat him because he went out at WR pace and they just followed? Is that it then?
If so, then how far did he have to go at WR pace to get him that nod? Was it exactly where they passed him or would you have given him that 'win' at the 800? Or 900m? 1100M? Where exactly?
Everyone who stepped on that line knew the goal was to win the race. Not a sole was thinking "damn, if I can just run 1500-X meters at WR pace even if I don't actually win everyone will say my race was the most impressive!! Yep, that's what I'll do then."
When they passed him obviously.
Yes I agree with your last paragraph but denying the facts about his run is also quite dumb.
So let us say you are correct Snowflakes. That doesn’t change the fact that nobody lined up hoping to have the dumbest and most impressive effort. They wanted to place as high as possible.
Doing something impressive but stupid is not a great performance. Hocker had a great performance, OR plus huge PB. What do you mean you don't care? This is a ridiculous cope dude; being able to finish fast is a key aspect of 1500m racing. If JI can't do that and has to run a time trial and lose, then maybe this isn't his event. He made a tactical blunder and overestimated his edge on the field. Maybe because he is "surrounded by yes men"?
This is the most unhinged cope I've ever seen. 3:28 isn't special anymore. If Jakob ran a PB and got fourth, your argument would still suck but it would make a little more sense.
Excuse me? So you’re saying “oh yeah well if Jakob technically front runned 3:26 then maybe you would make a little more sense.” That would put him at 3:23-3:24 ability, which would be almost physically impossible front running yourself. 3:28 isn’t special? from the front? With the only guy running faster than that before today was himself and maybe Cheruiyot? Are you even going to actually refute anything of what I said? I already admitted that the gold was sensational but denying how great Jakob’s run was is also intellectually dishonest.
Hocker had the most impressive performance due to the expectations and obviously the fact that a win came with an olympic gold medal.
But, in a vacuum, jakobs run would have been “more impressive.” If this were some random diamond league, what jakob did would have been more impressive.
3:28.2 leading the entire way is a stronger showing than 3:27.6 with a pacer for 1400+ meters. Does any of that matter? No. He lost. But freaking out over this take like it’s completely asinine is stupid.
The only thing from the original post I take significant issue with is calling it “one of the greatest achievements in athletics history.” One of the greatest shows of strength? Sure, he ran over a second faster than anyone else ever has from the front. Is 4th at the olympics in any context an all time great achievement? No
Yes, everyone faced high expectations -and hocker came away with the gold but you are doing a massive disservice by saying that this time is only impressive in a diamond league with pacers. He did it by doing all the work.
Yes, he lost. However, saying that none of it matters is a braindead take. Nobody in history was running a time like this in a global final and winning at the same time.
And you're impressed that JI tried a strategy that has never worked? And you prefer a failed strategy over strategies that netted medals? Speaking of brain dead takes...
I must ask> So your point here is that the guy who got 4th somehow performed better than the 3 guys who beat him because he went out at WR pace and they just followed? Is that it then?
If so, then how far did he have to go at WR pace to get him that nod? Was it exactly where they passed him or would you have given him that 'win' at the 800? Or 900m? 1100M? Where exactly?
Everyone who stepped on that line knew the goal was to win the race. Not a sole was thinking "damn, if I can just run 1500-X meters at WR pace even if I don't actually win everyone will say my race was the most impressive!! Yep, that's what I'll do then."
When they passed him obviously.
Yes I agree with your last paragraph but denying the facts about his run is also quite dumb.
So if they had passed him at 1300M is it still impressive or do you mean he had to go to 1420m?
Btw, What facts were denied?
In any case, good effort by you with this post... you've gotten people to respond so good on you. (me included, obviously)
Bottom line my friend. The top 3 ran more impressive races because they beat your guy.. and trust me your guy did what he did because he wanted to win (because he knew that would be impressive.)
You aren’t crazy but can you elaborate on why I’m wrong…?
Because winning took both physical greatness and mental greatness. Rabbiting took just one of those.
Bingo. This isn’t gymnastics or diving, where athletes score more points for higher degree of difficulty. The goal in track is simply to cross the finish line first, and if not first, then second or third. The most impressive athletes are the ones who made the podium, using both physical and mental fitness to get there.
Snowflakes: creating this thread is an indication that you are in the bargaining stage of grief. Your favored runner didn’t get the victory you hoped for, so now you are attempting to find an alternative form of distinction for him. It’s not going to work. Here’s hoping you reach the acceptance stage sooner than later.
Doing something impressive but stupid is not a great performance. Hocker had a great performance, OR plus huge PB. What do you mean you don't care? This is a ridiculous cope dude; being able to finish fast is a key aspect of 1500m racing. If JI can't do that and has to run a time trial and lose, then maybe this isn't his event. He made a tactical blunder and overestimated his edge on the field. Maybe because he is "surrounded by yes men"?
I’m sorry but you haven’t refuted a single thing I said. Yes, it cost him a gold medal and he is an idiot for that, like I said. But denying the facts about his run and how it compares to anyone else in history is stupid. I can’t believe you guys can’t see this lmao.
Yes, everyone faced high expectations -and hocker came away with the gold but you are doing a massive disservice by saying that this time is only impressive in a diamond league with pacers. He did it by doing all the work.
Yes, he lost. However, saying that none of it matters is a braindead take. Nobody in history was running a time like this in a global final and winning at the same time.
And you're impressed that JI tried a strategy that has never worked? And you prefer a failed strategy over strategies that netted medals? Speaking of brain dead takes...
I already said his strategy cost him a medal, but his performance based on that strategy he took was impressive despite the 4th place finish. Not sure why you are reaching so much here.
Doing something impressive but stupid is not a great performance. Hocker had a great performance, OR plus huge PB. What do you mean you don't care? This is a ridiculous cope dude; being able to finish fast is a key aspect of 1500m racing. If JI can't do that and has to run a time trial and lose, then maybe this isn't his event. He made a tactical blunder and overestimated his edge on the field. Maybe because he is "surrounded by yes men"?
I’m sorry but you haven’t refuted a single thing I said. Yes, it cost him a gold medal and he is an idiot for that, like I said. But denying the facts about his run and how it compares to anyone else in history is stupid. I can’t believe you guys can’t see this lmao.
You said "I don't really care about the 1500 results"....coping that Jakob's front running indicates he is still the fastest in the world. Yay, no one denies that in a rabbited race he is the favorite. Guess what, championship races don't have rabbits. Should he lobby for a rules change so he can bring is DL rabbits with him? What is the point of this thread? Furthermore, it MAY have cost him the gold medal or he may have lost today to Hocker no matter what he did. This indicates that Hocker is the best in the world, NOT Jacob! Racing is not time trialing!
Because winning took both physical greatness and mental greatness. Rabbiting took just one of those.
Bingo. This isn’t gymnastics or diving, where athletes score more points for higher degree of difficulty. The goal in track is simply to cross the finish line first, and if not first, then second or third. The most impressive athletes are the ones who made the podium, using both physical and mental fitness to get there.
Snowflakes: creating this thread is an indication that you are in the bargaining stage of grief. Your favored runner didn’t get the victory you hoped for, so now you are attempting to find an alternative form of distinction for him. It’s not going to work. Here’s hoping you reach the acceptance stage sooner than later.
Wow. I can’t believe the amount of Ad Hominems occuring in this thread.
You all keep using terms such as “physical and mental fitness” but can’t actually refute any of the points I made in the original post. Jakob’s run was unimpressive then? Or somewhat impressive? You can’t even give a straight answer with any analysis of the race. All it is from you folk are “He crossed the line first, who gives a crap”, so simpleminded you lot are.
Yes I agree with your last paragraph but denying the facts about his run is also quite dumb.
So if they had passed him at 1300M is it still impressive or do you mean he had to go to 1420m?
Btw, What facts were denied?
In any case, good effort by you with this post... you've gotten people to respond so good on you. (me included, obviously)
Bottom line my friend. The top 3 ran more impressive races because they beat your guy.. and trust me your guy did what he did because he wanted to win (because he knew that would be impressive.)
Can you explain the significance of your first question? They passed him at what was already the end of the race, so there is the answer to your question.
You should read the original post, noting how the effort was one of the best in history, based on the cost of leading and running wide on a bend.
Bingo. This isn’t gymnastics or diving, where athletes score more points for higher degree of difficulty. The goal in track is simply to cross the finish line first, and if not first, then second or third. The most impressive athletes are the ones who made the podium, using both physical and mental fitness to get there.
Snowflakes: creating this thread is an indication that you are in the bargaining stage of grief. Your favored runner didn’t get the victory you hoped for, so now you are attempting to find an alternative form of distinction for him. It’s not going to work. Here’s hoping you reach the acceptance stage sooner than later.
Wow. I can’t believe the amount of Ad Hominems occuring in this thread.
You all keep using terms such as “physical and mental fitness” but can’t actually refute any of the points I made in the original post. Jakob’s run was unimpressive then? Or somewhat impressive? You can’t even give a straight answer with any analysis of the race. All it is from you folk are “He crossed the line first, who gives a crap”, so simpleminded you lot are.
They did have better combination of physical and mental greatness and you haven’t been able to refute that.
I never said that Jakob’s race was unimpressive. I did accurately point out that it wasn’t the most impressive.