This discussion pertains to DI. No idea what is in store for DII.
With scholarship limits going away, there may only be two levels? No scholarship, or scholarship level with a roster cap? That would be my best guess, but I honestly don't know.
This discussion pertains to DI. No idea what is in store for DII.
With scholarship limits going away, there may only be two levels? No scholarship, or scholarship level with a roster cap? That would be my best guess, but I honestly don't know.
You all are too worried a out this. The change will be almost unnoticeable other than athletes will get more money. Track/XC will have 1 cap. Expect a number around 125.
And track/XC will continue to have the extra non-roster athletes hanging around. Many schools have figured this loophole out already.
P4 man wrote:
You all are too worried a out this. The change will be almost unnoticeable other than athletes will get more money. Track/XC will have 1 cap. Expect a number around 125.
No...although the wait is over. I just saw that an announcement is forthcoming tomorrow.
Football cap of 105
Baseball 32
Volleyball/Softball 25
Unconfirmed but track likely to be 31 men and 45 women. XC 14 and 15 respectively, and that is not in addition to the track limits.
Schools would be capped at that roster size. They could have that many scholarships, as well, but won't have to.
My theory is the NCAA is throwing its hands up and caving to EVERY demand being made knowing that the system will collapse. The entire NCAA was unfair to some sports and athletes but that fueled the beast for every other sport.
unlimited transferring? Sure. NIL deals? Sure. More scholarship!!! Sure. Revenue share!!! Sure.
and then in a few years there will only be 20 schools that can afford to operate and the system goes away
No to what? The change will be almost unnoticeable for track/XC other than athletes getting more scholarships.
I assume that current athletes will be grandfathered so as not to have thousands create a class action lawsuit.
Sliding Scale wrote:
What will the roster cap likely be? I heard the SEC administrators suggested some thing like 8 XC men and 28 track men (that number would have to include and distance runners doing both). Also heard other conferences on it forward bigger numbers.
8 XC men?? If this is true there will be a lot of NTS's at big meets in the coming years unless the scoring structure is changed, esp. from meatgrinder programs that can't seem to build a team without injuring half of their runners in the process.
P4 man wrote:
No to what? The change will be almost unnoticeable for track/XC other than athletes getting more scholarships.
I'm gonna agree with SS. Major changes are happening at most schools. Mainly because most schools aren't P4.
Pretty sure the court settlement will mandate that changes be made starting in the 2025-26 school year. Schools will be able to give MORE scholarship money so no one who gets cut will have a leg to stand on in court just because they weren't good enough to make the cut.
P4 man wrote:
No to what? The change will be almost unnoticeable for track/XC other than athletes getting more scholarships.
I can only assume you're being a troll just to be a troll but, yeah it's going to noticeable. I'm not sure you understand what limit means. You'll have 14 on your XC roster. No more. That's it. It's a hard number. All 14 can be on full scholarships if you have the money. None could be on money. Walk-ons exist but they have to be one of your limited roster spots. So say your current XC roster has 30 guys on it? It's cut in half. It's that simple.
P4 conferences currently require scholarships to be good for 4 years. That means if a P4 school has a XC roster of 24 today who have 20 on some type of scholarship from 5% to 50%, even the 5% freshman has a binding contract good for 4 years. The NCAA will have to grandfather them.
This is false. P4 schools are allowed to give multi-year scholarships but most do not.
So a point of clarification on the "required" multi-year scholarship. It's never been required, but you can. And a lot of schools will write a scholarship for X amount year 1, then zeroes for the next 3 years. That's more common than you think. In any case a slow roll out would likely happen but if not it's not that hard. It would be like a medical: you can keep your money to be here but your roster spot is gone. If you want to run - you'll leave.
So - again this will be VERY noticeable.
P4 man wrote:
P4 conferences currently require scholarships to be good for 4 years. That means if a P4 school has a XC roster of 24 today who have 20 on some type of scholarship from 5% to 50%, even the 5% freshman has a binding contract good for 4 years. The NCAA will have to grandfather them.
I expect that is someone does have a guaranteed 4- year scholarship in writing that the scholarship is guaranteed, not the spot on the team. They can still be cut if roster limits are implemented.
Doubtful. A contract is a contract.
Go read the NLI language and show me where it says the school is contractually obligated to provide you a roster spot for 4 years? An NLI is an agreement that you will attend the issuing institution for the agreed amount price.
Besides every contract can be broken. It's just a matter of what damages are then. In this case the school - to fulfill their part of the NLI - would only have to provide the agreed upon amount in the NLI for the term to meet it's obligation.
Read the B10 language. The schools are required to honor the scholarship for 4 years. A roster spot is required in order to execute the scholarship. All of those athletes will be grandfathered. Guaranteed.
No scholarship limits anymore! (NCAA Track and Field inequality is going to get way worse, right?)
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