Not a single disbelieving commenter would dare ask their "point" directly to one of these snipers because they know they'd get laughed at.
Op's/snipers point is that securing the rooftop would have been priority number 1 for any security team and it was ignored on purpose. They even knew he was there but waited till he got off his shots before killing him. Trump and sniper dead bathing to see here.
So it seems like there are some people here who know some things about situations like these/are passionate enough to have some interest in it.
Full disclosure, I don't - hence this/these questions.
This all seems to happen so fast to me. Like when you watch that one (now well viewed) eyewitness video, Trump is only halfway to the ground by the time the SS guys have clearly taken their shot and presumably killed this kid.
I just don't know how this happens so insanely fast. Did they know this kid was there and that's why they were able to retaliate so quickly? I just assumed that if this came out of the blue and they had no idea where it came from, they would need at least some time to locate him (maybe someone radios in where the shot came from etc) before making a headshot that killed him.
One justification I heard for this (such a quick kill) was that they knew he was there but that he technically wasn't doing anything illegal until he actually fired the gun and that's why they couldn't shoot until he did? (which I find hard to believe that bringing a firearm to a public space, setting it up to be pointed at someone isn't illegal but then again I have no clue either on how this works in a legal sense???)
I guess the way that would make logical sense to me is that the SS sinpers are there constantly looking for threats and that as soon as they see one they have full authority to take it out and so I would have imagined those guys taking a shot and Trump being basically tackled to the deck by his security team, well before any gun from an "assassin" went off. Then again, I guess it is plausible that in the split second the SS located and saw this kid, that he coincidentally fired off his shot as well and this all happened in lesds than a second. That seems like an insane coincidence but I guess it's also technically plausible that it could happen.
Is this the official word? Is there any other plausibility to the above (the "not taking a shot until..." concept etc etc).
Genuinely asking these questions as someone with no clue how this works.
It does sound like it was a mess up by security. They recognized early on he was acting strange but didn't keep an eye on him. And was poor judgement not to prevent someone from going on that roof.
The SS did a poor job if there was a second shooter. If there was a second shooter and Trump popped his head up and pumped his arm and the secret service didn't cover him, that would have been even worse.
I'm listening to Dan Bongino's radio show live as I type this. Bongino is a former Secret Service agent during the Obama administration so he knows first hand what the protocols are and he still has inside sources in the Secret Service who have been in contact with him for months before the shooting pointing out the dismal lack of security for Trump.
He was on Fox News on Sunday morning and he got so infuriated that Fox "lost" the connection with him. When he came back on a few minute later, he was more circumspect and calm, but he still said it was an apocalyptic failure. Specifically,
- the spokesperson who said that the SS had not turned down requests for more security from the Trump team was lying. Bongino said insiders and friends in the SS told Bongino that they were aware of multiple requests for more SS protection of Trump and his Mar A Largo home and those requests had been turned down.
- The roof (high ground) were not secured. They should have been identified as a risk in the pre-visit and the following steps should have been taken, but they were not.
- The buildings were not secured to prevent access to the roof.
- No agent on the roof.
- No drones or helicopters surveiling the area.
Bongino called for the immediate resignation of Kimberly Cheatle, director of the Secret Service.
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There was absolutely, positively no reason that particular roof should have been unsecured many hours before the rally. All four snipers quoted originally make that point.
And the fact the kid was able to wander around with a rifle, climb onto the roof, have onlookers yelling and pointing him out, and STILL he was allowed to get shots off??
There is a small chance it could be extreme incompetence, but a darker explanation checks more logical boxes. The average person's emotions won't allow them to go there.
I'm listening to Dan Bongino's radio show live as I type this. Bongino is a former Secret Service agent during the Obama administration so he knows first hand what the protocols are and he still has inside sources in the Secret Service who have been in contact with him for months before the shooting pointing out the dismal lack of security for Trump.
He was on Fox News on Sunday morning and he got so infuriated that Fox "lost" the connection with him. When he came back on a few minute later, he was more circumspect and calm, but he still said it was an apocalyptic failure. Specifically,
- the spokesperson who said that the SS had not turned down requests for more security from the Trump team was lying. Bongino said insiders and friends in the SS told Bongino that they were aware of multiple requests for more SS protection of Trump and his Mar A Largo home and those requests had been turned down.
- The roof (high ground) were not secured. They should have been identified as a risk in the pre-visit and the following steps should have been taken, but they were not.
- The buildings were not secured to prevent access to the roof.
- No agent on the roof.
- No drones or helicopters surveiling the area.
Bongino called for the immediate resignation of Kimberly Cheatle, director of the Secret Service.
It's on Fox News, therefore it is discounted as complete balderdash. They lie for a living.
There were quite a few people who were questioning this kid climbing up the building. And this did not happen quickly -- it was a full minute before he even fired. Insanity.
So it seems like there are some people here who know some things about situations like these/are passionate enough to have some interest in it.
Full disclosure, I don't - hence this/these questions.
This all seems to happen so fast to me. Like when you watch that one (now well viewed) eyewitness video, Trump is only halfway to the ground by the time the SS guys have clearly taken their shot and presumably killed this kid.
I just don't know how this happens so insanely fast. Did they know this kid was there and that's why they were able to retaliate so quickly? I just assumed that if this came out of the blue and they had no idea where it came from, they would need at least some time to locate him (maybe someone radios in where the shot came from etc) before making a headshot that killed him.
One justification I heard for this (such a quick kill) was that they knew he was there but that he technically wasn't doing anything illegal until he actually fired the gun and that's why they couldn't shoot until he did? (which I find hard to believe that bringing a firearm to a public space, setting it up to be pointed at someone isn't illegal but then again I have no clue either on how this works in a legal sense???)
I guess the way that would make logical sense to me is that the SS sinpers are there constantly looking for threats and that as soon as they see one they have full authority to take it out and so I would have imagined those guys taking a shot and Trump being basically tackled to the deck by his security team, well before any gun from an "assassin" went off. Then again, I guess it is plausible that in the split second the SS located and saw this kid, that he coincidentally fired off his shot as well and this all happened in lesds than a second. That seems like an insane coincidence but I guess it's also technically plausible that it could happen.
Is this the official word? Is there any other plausibility to the above (the "not taking a shot until..." concept etc etc).
Genuinely asking these questions as someone with no clue how this works.
yes, obviously. And if you can't shoot him first, you also can't do anything else sensible, like get the POTUS out of there and under cover.
Obviously if someone is pointing a rifle at the president, your only option is to wait and see.
So it seems like there are some people here who know some things about situations like these/are passionate enough to have some interest in it.
Full disclosure, I don't - hence this/these questions.
This all seems to happen so fast to me. Like when you watch that one (now well viewed) eyewitness video, Trump is only halfway to the ground by the time the SS guys have clearly taken their shot and presumably killed this kid.
I just don't know how this happens so insanely fast. Did they know this kid was there and that's why they were able to retaliate so quickly? I just assumed that if this came out of the blue and they had no idea where it came from, they would need at least some time to locate him (maybe someone radios in where the shot came from etc) before making a headshot that killed him.
One justification I heard for this (such a quick kill) was that they knew he was there but that he technically wasn't doing anything illegal until he actually fired the gun and that's why they couldn't shoot until he did? (which I find hard to believe that bringing a firearm to a public space, setting it up to be pointed at someone isn't illegal but then again I have no clue either on how this works in a legal sense???)
I guess the way that would make logical sense to me is that the SS sinpers are there constantly looking for threats and that as soon as they see one they have full authority to take it out and so I would have imagined those guys taking a shot and Trump being basically tackled to the deck by his security team, well before any gun from an "assassin" went off. Then again, I guess it is plausible that in the split second the SS located and saw this kid, that he coincidentally fired off his shot as well and this all happened in lesds than a second. That seems like an insane coincidence but I guess it's also technically plausible that it could happen.
Is this the official word? Is there any other plausibility to the above (the "not taking a shot until..." concept etc etc).
Genuinely asking these questions as someone with no clue how this works.
As soon as they saw the rifle, they could have shot him.
I'm listening to Dan Bongino's radio show live as I type this. Bongino is a former Secret Service agent during the Obama administration so he knows first hand what the protocols are and he still has inside sources in the Secret Service who have been in contact with him for months before the shooting pointing out the dismal lack of security for Trump.
He was on Fox News on Sunday morning and he got so infuriated that Fox "lost" the connection with him. When he came back on a few minute later, he was more circumspect and calm, but he still said it was an apocalyptic failure. Specifically,
- the spokesperson who said that the SS had not turned down requests for more security from the Trump team was lying. Bongino said insiders and friends in the SS told Bongino that they were aware of multiple requests for more SS protection of Trump and his Mar A Largo home and those requests had been turned down.
- The roof (high ground) were not secured. They should have been identified as a risk in the pre-visit and the following steps should have been taken, but they were not.
- The buildings were not secured to prevent access to the roof.
- No agent on the roof.
- No drones or helicopters surveiling the area.
Bongino called for the immediate resignation of Kimberly Cheatle, director of the Secret Service.
It's on Fox News, therefore it is discounted as complete balderdash. They lie for a living.
Cite a real news source.
-Source: Every one of those points was made by Dan Bongino today on his three hour syndicated radio talk show. I listened on WBAP 820 AM. Bongino is a credible source who served in the Secret Service during the Obama administration. He has first hand experience in presidential secret service protection and protocols. Further, he has friends still in the Secret Service who have shared information with him.
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So it seems like there are some people here who know some things about situations like these/are passionate enough to have some interest in it.
Full disclosure, I don't - hence this/these questions.
This all seems to happen so fast to me. Like when you watch that one (now well viewed) eyewitness video, Trump is only halfway to the ground by the time the SS guys have clearly taken their shot and presumably killed this kid.
I just don't know how this happens so insanely fast. Did they know this kid was there and that's why they were able to retaliate so quickly? I just assumed that if this came out of the blue and they had no idea where it came from, they would need at least some time to locate him (maybe someone radios in where the shot came from etc) before making a headshot that killed him.
One justification I heard for this (such a quick kill) was that they knew he was there but that he technically wasn't doing anything illegal until he actually fired the gun and that's why they couldn't shoot until he did? (which I find hard to believe that bringing a firearm to a public space, setting it up to be pointed at someone isn't illegal but then again I have no clue either on how this works in a legal sense???)
I guess the way that would make logical sense to me is that the SS sinpers are there constantly looking for threats and that as soon as they see one they have full authority to take it out and so I would have imagined those guys taking a shot and Trump being basically tackled to the deck by his security team, well before any gun from an "assassin" went off. Then again, I guess it is plausible that in the split second the SS located and saw this kid, that he coincidentally fired off his shot as well and this all happened in lesds than a second. That seems like an insane coincidence but I guess it's also technically plausible that it could happen.
Is this the official word? Is there any other plausibility to the above (the "not taking a shot until..." concept etc etc).
Genuinely asking these questions as someone with no clue how this works.
yes, obviously. And if you can't shoot him first, you also can't do anything else sensible, like get the POTUS out of there and under cover.
Obviously if someone is pointing a rifle at the president, your only option is to wait and see.
Dude - stop being a peen. I didn't come up with that - it was something I read which justified (in theory) how this all happened so quickly.
So okay, that didn't happen - I guess all we are left with are two scenarios
1) They didn't know where he was and were able to locate him in milliseconds and make a deadly shot
or
2) Literally as they located him and pulled the trigger themselves, the shooter coincidentally had just made his shot at Trump and so the key actions all happened within a second.
There are two very simple explanations for this assassination attempt. First, it was basically a school shooter who decided to go for a bigger stage. Crooks was a gamer who was into guns and not much else. He was bullied in school and did not have much going for him in life. Crooks probably just wanted to have the world know his name and end his life at the same time. I doubt he really had that much of a political motivation at all.
As for the security at the event, the hard truth is that even the best of the best in law enforcement screw up stuff. We all have this idea that the police are all 6'3" ex-seals who are ready to jump into action and take out the bad guys. In reality, a big reason there are so many controversial police shootings is because police are often older, overweight and out of shape. When they get into any situation where they may have to have a physical confrontation, they just shoot the guy. The local law enforcement dropped the ball.
So it seems like there are some people here who know some things about situations like these/are passionate enough to have some interest in it.
Full disclosure, I don't - hence this/these questions.
This all seems to happen so fast to me. Like when you watch that one (now well viewed) eyewitness video, Trump is only halfway to the ground by the time the SS guys have clearly taken their shot and presumably killed this kid.
I just don't know how this happens so insanely fast. Did they know this kid was there and that's why they were able to retaliate so quickly? I just assumed that if this came out of the blue and they had no idea where it came from, they would need at least some time to locate him (maybe someone radios in where the shot came from etc) before making a headshot that killed him.
One justification I heard for this (such a quick kill) was that they knew he was there but that he technically wasn't doing anything illegal until he actually fired the gun and that's why they couldn't shoot until he did? (which I find hard to believe that bringing a firearm to a public space, setting it up to be pointed at someone isn't illegal but then again I have no clue either on how this works in a legal sense???)
I guess the way that would make logical sense to me is that the SS sinpers are there constantly looking for threats and that as soon as they see one they have full authority to take it out and so I would have imagined those guys taking a shot and Trump being basically tackled to the deck by his security team, well before any gun from an "assassin" went off. Then again, I guess it is plausible that in the split second the SS located and saw this kid, that he coincidentally fired off his shot as well and this all happened in lesds than a second. That seems like an insane coincidence but I guess it's also technically plausible that it could happen.
Is this the official word? Is there any other plausibility to the above (the "not taking a shot until..." concept etc etc).
Genuinely asking these questions as someone with no clue how this works.
As soon as they saw the rifle, they could have shot him.
Yes, and that is obviously the most logical. So then this really was a case of insane coincidence - that at the moment they saw the rifle and made their shot, this kid had made his like fractions of a second prior. That's incredible, wow.