So what I’m essentially getting from this is that it wasn’t the gummies, in the same way it wasn’t the burrito.
so he was doping.
track and field is such a stupid mess of dopers who act entitled to the benefit of the doubt and again entitled to an alibi when caught. I’m not watching any track this year at the Olympics.
So of all of the athletes who ate these gummy’s the one guy who pops for a banned substance just happens to be the the guy who transformed from a 10.4 and 21.0 guy at his state championships to a 9.8 and 19.9 guy who beats world champions in high school a year later? And who has a teammate who completely obliterated a high school girls record running faster than the vast majority of pros could manage. And not any of the athletes who didn’t have rediculous spikes in performance?
Sure.
Asinga was on numerous banned substances that he didn’t get caught using. I don’t care about the particulars I’m just glad he got what he deserved.
I doubt any other of the high school All Americans who received the gummies have ever been tested. Very rare for a high schooler to be in the testing pool.
This kid either has no idea that he was doping and someone in his camp was doing it for him or he’s a POS. I don’t believe for one second that those gummies were tainted by Gatorade
This. There is no way that Cardarine (GW-1516) ended up in a Gatorade gummy. He’s just trying to throw smoke up and create doubt in the ignorant populace.
So what I’m essentially getting from this is that it wasn’t the gummies, in the same way it wasn’t the burrito.
so he was doping.
track and field is such a stupid mess of dopers who act entitled to the benefit of the doubt and again entitled to an alibi when caught. I’m not watching any track this year at the Olympics.
That is correct, of course, but also nothing new. I will continue enjoying the show and hoping for new world records at the Olympics.
his career is over. it's the only chance for he and his lawyer to make a few bucks. Gatorade has screwed up over and over again
Wouldn't he be 23 when his ban ends? Regardless of how much he doped, 9.89 at 18 takes massive talent
I could see a company taking a chance on him, and it only needs one. Nike doesn't care about slave labor so what if an athlete of theirs dopes? And if he maintains his innocence I can't see him being too harmed by it
The main harm would be a loss of NIL $ in my opinion
Also correct. Nike even hired Double Cheat Gatlin again, and allegedly Burrito Girl, so they clearly won't care about one more doper on their payroll.
See also Mitchell's status within USATF. Or Ross and Graham and Drummond. Dopers are ok in the USA.
Wouldn't he be 23 when his ban ends? Regardless of how much he doped, 9.89 at 18 takes massive talent
I could see a company taking a chance on him, and it only needs one. Nike doesn't care about slave labor so what if an athlete of theirs dopes? And if he maintains his innocence I can't see him being too harmed by it
The main harm would be a loss of NIL $ in my opinion
Also correct. Nike even hired Double Cheat Gatlin again, and allegedly Burrito Girl, so they clearly won't care about one more doper on their payroll.
See also Mitchell's status within USATF. Or Ross and Graham and Drummond. Dopers are ok in the USA.
You don’t think people should get a second or third chance? At least in the US, unfortunately, our best get popped all the time. While Jamaicans are running faster in their mid 30s and somehow are never in trouble just all casual. While Americans are running around having to risk it and lie about what they eat or where they are.
sprinters around the world know if you want to win at that level then this is what you gotta do.
Also correct. Nike even hired Double Cheat Gatlin again, and allegedly Burrito Girl, so they clearly won't care about one more doper on their payroll.
See also Mitchell's status within USATF. Or Ross and Graham and Drummond. Dopers are ok in the USA.
You don’t think people should get a second or third chance? At least in the US, unfortunately, our best get popped all the time. While Jamaicans are running faster in their mid 30s and somehow are never in trouble just all casual. While Americans are running around having to risk it and lie about what they eat or where they are.
sprinters around the world know if you want to win at that level then this is what you gotta do.
I didn't give my opinion (yet), just reported that dopers are easily forgiven, at least here.
My opinion: third chance is one chance too many, and second chance should be only for those who regret their actions. And dopers shouldn't become national coaches - that just sends a terrible sign to our athletes.
Or we openly say: wth, we dope as much as we can without getting caught, to level the playing field. Of course the caught dopers get forgiven readily. That would at least be honest.
asingas gummies were produced back in 2022. the gw1516 would have degraded by december 2023 as well. so obvious he doctored them. i think gatorade might have to settle for the improper bottle labeling, but he is guiltier than sin.
There is likely a difference between degradation in sealed and opened containers, which in turns also looks terrible for Asinga, as the sealed containers didn't contain GW1516.
I have a bizarre reason I think Asinga is a doper and wanted to float it here to see what people think. Please upvote if you think it's reasonable, downvote if not.
I think he's overstating, perhaps by a lot, his genetic ability. In both the LRC article and the WaPo article he's quoted as saying he's "born to run" because his parents were both Olympians. That's a bit misleading, as his mother and father competed for Zambia and Suriname, respectively. Neither of them were world class: Mom never made it out of the heats, Dad made the semis once. Mom's times in particular would be considered mediocre today.
His mother's PRs are:
100m - 12.13, 200m - 24.59, 400m - 53.92
His father's PRs are:
400m - 46.89, 800m - 1:46.74, 1500m - 3:55.69
Also, please don't tell me I would kill to have these PRs. Obviously I would. That's not the issue. The issue is I think he might be exaggerating implying those genetics would produce a 9.88 high school sprinter.
Wouldn't he be 23 when his ban ends? Regardless of how much he doped, 9.89 at 18 takes massive talent
I could see a company taking a chance on him, and it only needs one. Nike doesn't care about slave labor so what if an athlete of theirs dopes? And if he maintains his innocence I can't see him being too harmed by it
The main harm would be a loss of NIL $ in my opinion
I agree this would've been the smart route. Instead, he's taking the ultimate-risk nuclear option, essentially committing fraud and slandering a multi billion dollar company. I seriously can't understand how his team has assessed the risk and gone this route instead of a 4 year ban.
Exactly.
Say something like "Although I believe I'm innocent [note: this doesn't say he's innocent / he's not saying he's innocent] it would cost hundreds of thousands of legal fees to have a small chance at overturning my ban so I will plead guilty and not contest these findings. Jarrion Lawson, Ajee Wilson, etc have tested positive through contamination of meat and supplements ... I'm pleading guilty and will be back in 2026"
Old thread was closed, posting this reply here ... apologies in advance.
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I don't agree at all. I gave you several specific reasons why I downvoted your post; none of which included anything from your sad past. I also note that so far no one has said what could have been brilliant in that post, not even you. Yes, calling an adult black athlete a "boy" is false and racist, typically for you with your insistence that Farah and Lagat are Africans. It's not? Then how often did you call an adult white athlete here boy? Should be plenty of examples, considering your "impressive" 12851 troll posts here on letsrun. Childhood ("boyhood", lol) ends at 18, some people call 19 year old adolescents, yes, but boys? Ridiculous, or rather, racist. Pointing out the doper's inexperience is also pointless and obfuscating, btw. Not only does he have an "entourage" as the panel put it, he also has the experienced lawyer Greene.
You are the one who brought up "my past (???)". Now you are denying that too? Why bring it up then, only to deny it now? Weird.
I assumed Rojo went out of his way to edit and clip and quote the part he thought was brilliant. Why would I go out of my way to say which parts I consider brilliant? Weird.
There is no hard and fast rule for 18-year olds, and usage varies widely (from ages 14-25) depending on context. Regarding other 19-year olds in a similar context, I cannot recall which other 19-year old recent high school male graduate was put in front of a Disciplinary Tribunal since the WADA Code changes in 2015. By your metric, how often have I called an adult Farah or Lagat, or any adult East African, or any other adult African, a "boy"? The point here was to emphasize his relative youth and inexperience as a professional, while being thrust into this new anti-doping situation.
The point about youth and inexperience is that this 19-year old athlete, who has no significant professional earnings yet, has to first find out where to look, and then look for and then pay for the necessary experience. It's not like Paul Greene was his roommate at Uni. Then he has to pay for the lawyer, has to pay for the lab testing, and has to pay part of the legal fees for losing the case.
It is in no way surprising that years old gummies (sealed or not) failed to test positive.
The sealed ones almost assuredly were never contaminated but if they were, like the ones the accused submitted, the substance would have decomposed by now, imo. Now, maybe there is a stable degradation product, I'm not sure as I have never worked with this compound.
I have a bizarre reason I think Asinga is a doper and wanted to float it here to see what people think. Please upvote if you think it's reasonable, downvote if not.
I think he's overstating, perhaps by a lot, his genetic ability. In both the LRC article and the WaPo article he's quoted as saying he's "born to run" because his parents were both Olympians. That's a bit misleading, as his mother and father competed for Zambia and Suriname, respectively. Neither of them were world class: Mom never made it out of the heats, Dad made the semis once. Mom's times in particular would be considered mediocre today.
His mother's PRs are:
100m - 12.13, 200m - 24.59, 400m - 53.92
His father's PRs are:
400m - 46.89, 800m - 1:46.74, 1500m - 3:55.69
Also, please don't tell me I would kill to have these PRs. Obviously I would. That's not the issue. The issue is I think he might be exaggerating implying those genetics would produce a 9.88 high school sprinter.
Honestly I think that while this is a possibility, it is still a much better genetic background than most have.
There are many examples of running talents that come from parents that didn't run at all or didn't do anything particularly remarkable when it came to running. Examples that come to mind are Usain Bolt, Noah Lyles, and Sydney McLaughlin.
Usain's parents did run at all and Lyles and Sydney's parents were elite but not in the top tier of elite runners.
Not to say that he is clean... he tested positive, but I think his genetic profile was solid for at least a mid to low 10 high school sprinter and maybe an elite athlete.
I have a bizarre reason I think Asinga is a doper and wanted to float it here to see what people think. Please upvote if you think it's reasonable, downvote if not.
I think he's overstating, perhaps by a lot, his genetic ability. In both the LRC article and the WaPo article he's quoted as saying he's "born to run" because his parents were both Olympians. That's a bit misleading, as his mother and father competed for Zambia and Suriname, respectively. Neither of them were world class: Mom never made it out of the heats, Dad made the semis once. Mom's times in particular would be considered mediocre today.
His mother's PRs are:
100m - 12.13, 200m - 24.59, 400m - 53.92
His father's PRs are:
400m - 46.89, 800m - 1:46.74, 1500m - 3:55.69
Also, please don't tell me I would kill to have these PRs. Obviously I would. That's not the issue. The issue is I think he might be exaggerating implying those genetics would produce a 9.88 high school sprinter.
Looking at their PRs really doesn't say much. They were running many years ago with less development at their disposal compared to now. Those PRs are also more than fast enough to result in a child with supreme talent. Most generational talents have either 2 track parents or 2 parents who if they had ran track would've been moderately good. Sydney's parents both ran track but were not world class, the Lyles' parents did college track (and their dad has a relay medal), they don't have to be the top of the top to bore a child that is.
Similarly, if Joe Klecker and Sage Hurta-Klecker have a child there's no guarantee they will be as good as either of them are. Same with Richardson & Christian Coleman, etc.
This kid either has no idea that he was doping and someone in his camp was doing it for him or he’s a POS. I don’t believe for one second that those gummies were tainted by Gatorade
I don't believe the gummies were INTENTIONALLY contaminated by gatorade. But contamination due to negligence? I believe that is possible but the likelihood they were contaminated with GW501516 which was pulled from human trials after being proven to cause cancer is highly unlikely.
This is one of the things Russia doped their athletes with and Nijel Amos tested positive for. Its supposed to be a super performance enhancer (albeit one that will probably cause cancer).
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