Its a new and much disliked round for those who don't qualify for the semis. I think its for races up to 1500m where those who miss qualification in the heats get another chance to join those already qualified in the semis.
The top end of the 800m (Arop, Wanyonyi, Sedjati, Hoppel) is as good as the top end of the 1500m (Jakob, Nuguse, Kerr etc.). There’s just more depth in the 1500 with let’s say 25 guys in sub-3:32 shape and only about 15(?) in sub-1:44 shape . There’s not really much to say Hobbs is better at 1500 than 800 though. His performances are about the same as far as the scoring tables. I’m not as sure it’s easier to make the finals. 800m takes fewer guys and has a brutal semis system. Hoping they do 3 semis with 3 big Qs. Both events are tough but I’m all for Hobbs taking the spot as no offense to Vince/Hoey but they aren’t going to sniff a final in this era.
I wouldn't say the top of the 800 is on the same level as Jakob, Kerr, Nuguse, Cheryiout, etc. at all. Jakob, Kerr, and Nuguse are all within about 1 second of the world record, which still seems untouchable. Wanyonyi is the only runner like this in the 800, and even Arop, Sedjati, and Hoppel and a couple of the other Kenyans are still 2 full seconds off the world record.
Road to Paris just updated their rankings. Hobbs is the #8 qualifying time entering the Olympics in the 800 (Hoppel is #4, Miller is #9). He is #20 in the 1,500 (Nuguse is #2, Hocker is #10). The 1,500 is definitely the much deeper event.
And although the conversion isn't perfect, 1 seconds in the 800 is like 2 in the 1500 (1.875 via a straight multiplication)
Kessler is capable but I'd like to see him go 1500 alone.
Why? It’s the first event. 100% unaffected by the 8.
I'm not a proponent of doubling in general. I now believe Kessler is just as good at both distances. Would prefer he take his chances at 1500 but 800 would be fine too.
Its true that he would have nothing to lose in doubling (Unless you believe his chances are better at 800m).
Kessler is capable but I'd like to see him go 1500 alone.
Why? the 1500 is first. 800 is gravy
This is my thought. Why not get the experience? To be able to race in another Olympic event is amazing. Maybe he'll be wiped from the 1500 and won't do as well as he could if fresher. So be it. Or maybe he'll be energized from the environment and the 1500 and the lack of pressure since the 800 is "gravy." I'm positive that he and his team already know and accept that there could be a range of outcomes.
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Its a new and much disliked round for those who don't qualify for the semis. I think its for races up to 1500m where those who miss qualification in the heats get another chance to join those already qualified in the semis.
Repechage is for all track events 200 m through 1500 m, including 400m hurdles. Normally, there are qualifying heats, then semis, then finals. Each qualifying heat has a set # of automatic qualifiers (capital Q) to the semis (e.g. top 3 or top 4), and there would be extra slots for the fastest times (lowercase q).
Repechage is like a "losers bracket" that allows advancement. There are no lowercase q based on time. Non-qualifying athletes are instead allowed to compete in the additional repechage round between qualifiers and semis, where the top PLACERS will earn the lower-case q into the semis.
It's good in that its more racing an entertainment for fans, and for athletes in a 1st qualifying heat that had a slower pace because they didn't know they needed a fast heat, they get a shot. It's bad because it's an extra round of racing for athletes, and could tire out persons who ran fast times but didn't get a capital-Q. 800 and 1500m runners may also just mail it in if they don't have good positioning.
Its a new and much disliked round for those who don't qualify for the semis. I think its for races up to 1500m where those who miss qualification in the heats get another chance to join those already qualified in the semis.
Repechage is for all track events 200 m through 1500 m, including 400m hurdles. Normally, there are qualifying heats, then semis, then finals. Each qualifying heat has a set # of automatic qualifiers (capital Q) to the semis (e.g. top 3 or top 4), and there would be extra slots for the fastest times (lowercase q).
Repechage is like a "losers bracket" that allows advancement. There are no lowercase q based on time. Non-qualifying athletes are instead allowed to compete in the additional repechage round between qualifiers and semis, where the top PLACERS will earn the lower-case q into the semis.
It's good in that its more racing an entertainment for fans, and for athletes in a 1st qualifying heat that had a slower pace because they didn't know they needed a fast heat, they get a shot. It's bad because it's an extra round of racing for athletes, and could tire out persons who ran fast times but didn't get a capital-Q. 800 and 1500m runners may also just mail it in if they don't have good positioning.
Wha the hell is this? Is this new for Paris? I have not heard anybody talk about this. Does this mean people who don’t advance in Round 1 get a second chance the next day? Am I interpreting this correctly? this feels like it deserves it’s own thread, lol, what the hell?
Its a new and much disliked round for those who don't qualify for the semis. I think its for races up to 1500m where those who miss qualification in the heats get another chance to join those already qualified in the semis.
Repechage is for all track events 200 m through 1500 m, including 400m hurdles. Normally, there are qualifying heats, then semis, then finals. Each qualifying heat has a set # of automatic qualifiers (capital Q) to the semis (e.g. top 3 or top 4), and there would be extra slots for the fastest times (lowercase q).
Repechage is like a "losers bracket" that allows advancement. There are no lowercase q based on time. Non-qualifying athletes are instead allowed to compete in the additional repechage round between qualifiers and semis, where the top PLACERS will earn the lower-case q into the semis.
It's good in that its more racing an entertainment for fans, and for athletes in a 1st qualifying heat that had a slower pace because they didn't know they needed a fast heat, they get a shot. It's bad because it's an extra round of racing for athletes, and could tire out persons who ran fast times but didn't get a capital-Q. 800 and 1500m runners may also just mail it in if they don't have good positioning.
It sort of makes sense since, as you point out, heats are not always balanced and earlier heats know much less about what they need to do than later heats. I guess the retort from people who don't like it would be "always run as fast as possible."
Repechage is for all track events 200 m through 1500 m, including 400m hurdles. Normally, there are qualifying heats, then semis, then finals. Each qualifying heat has a set # of automatic qualifiers (capital Q) to the semis (e.g. top 3 or top 4), and there would be extra slots for the fastest times (lowercase q).
Repechage is like a "losers bracket" that allows advancement. There are no lowercase q based on time. Non-qualifying athletes are instead allowed to compete in the additional repechage round between qualifiers and semis, where the top PLACERS will earn the lower-case q into the semis.
It's good in that its more racing an entertainment for fans, and for athletes in a 1st qualifying heat that had a slower pace because they didn't know they needed a fast heat, they get a shot. It's bad because it's an extra round of racing for athletes, and could tire out persons who ran fast times but didn't get a capital-Q. 800 and 1500m runners may also just mail it in if they don't have good positioning.
Wha the hell is this? Is this new for Paris? I have not heard anybody talk about this. Does this mean people who don’t advance in Round 1 get a second chance the next day? Am I interpreting this correctly? this feels like it deserves it’s own thread, lol, what the hell?
I don't think it's everyone who didn't advance as an auto qualifer based on placement, only a small subset who will race for the slots that would have gone to time qualifiers.
The top end of the 800m (Arop, Wanyonyi, Sedjati, Hoppel) is as good as the top end of the 1500m (Jakob, Nuguse, Kerr etc.). There’s just more depth in the 1500 with let’s say 25 guys in sub-3:32 shape and only about 15(?) in sub-1:44 shape . There’s not really much to say Hobbs is better at 1500 than 800 though. His performances are about the same as far as the scoring tables. I’m not as sure it’s easier to make the finals. 800m takes fewer guys and has a brutal semis system. Hoping they do 3 semis with 3 big Qs. Both events are tough but I’m all for Hobbs taking the spot as no offense to Vince/Hoey but they aren’t going to sniff a final in this era.
I wouldn't say the top of the 800 is on the same level as Jakob, Kerr, Nuguse, Cheryiout, etc. at all. Jakob, Kerr, and Nuguse are all within about 1 second of the world record, which still seems untouchable. Wanyonyi is the only runner like this in the 800, and even Arop, Sedjati, and Hoppel and a couple of the other Kenyans are still 2 full seconds off the world record.
Road to Paris just updated their rankings. Hobbs is the #8 qualifying time entering the Olympics in the 800 (Hoppel is #4, Miller is #9). He is #20 in the 1,500 (Nuguse is #2, Hocker is #10). The 1,500 is definitely the much deeper event.
Jakob is 1.14s off, but Kerr and Nuguse are not within 2s at least for the stronger 1500m record. I am giving Arop a little benefit of the doubt as I think he is capable of faster than he has run. His PB comes off crazy travel --> Budapest to China to Eugene. Sedjati certainly is capable of faster if you watch how he set that recent time. Kinyamal has run 1:42.5 and he is more akin to a second-tier guy in the event in my eyes....The 1500 is deeper, but I think you will have different thoughts about the top-end of the 800 in a few weeks.
Also, Hobbs is 8th currently, but that is certainly going to change in all likelihood. The two fast DL 800m are coming up in Paris and Monaco. You can expect some of the guys like Tual, Pattison, Masalela, Tecuceanu and Miller to potentially crush their PBs.
And although the conversion isn't perfect, 1 seconds in the 800 is like 2 in the 1500 (1.875 via a straight multiplication)
Another factor is there is no question that the supershoes aid more at the pace of the 1500 (55-56) then 800 (50-52). So, how close we are to World Records is a bit flawed IMO.
Its a new and much disliked round for those who don't qualify for the semis. I think its for races up to 1500m where those who miss qualification in the heats get another chance to join those already qualified in the semis.
It occurs to me that if he runs in the 1500 final and then gets to the first round of the 800 the next day feeling totally wiped out, he could run as slow as he thinks he can go without breaking the honest effort rule eye test in the first round of the 800, and then go for it in this repechage thing on a day's more rest. Just a thought.
I don't think it's everyone who didn't advance as an auto qualifer based on placement, only a small subset who will race for the slots that would have gone to time qualifiers.
This would make sense, but according to Paris24 EVERY athlete is guaranteed at least two rounds.
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Repechage system is so dumb. They should’ve just made it top 8 from each heat, top 6 from each semi. Get rid of the qs so there’s no benefit to getting placed in the later rounds.
The top end of the 800m (Arop, Wanyonyi, Sedjati, Hoppel) is as good as the top end of the 1500m (Jakob, Nuguse, Kerr etc.). There’s just more depth in the 1500 with let’s say 25 guys in sub-3:32 shape and only about 15(?) in sub-1:44 shape . There’s not really much to say Hobbs is better at 1500 than 800 though. His performances are about the same as far as the scoring tables. I’m not as sure it’s easier to make the finals. 800m takes fewer guys and has a brutal semis system. Hoping they do 3 semis with 3 big Qs. Both events are tough but I’m all for Hobbs taking the spot as no offense to Vince/Hoey but they aren’t going to sniff a final in this era.
I wouldn't say the top of the 800 is on the same level as Jakob, Kerr, Nuguse, Cheryiout, etc. at all. Jakob, Kerr, and Nuguse are all within about 1 second of the world record, which still seems untouchable. Wanyonyi is the only runner like this in the 800, and even Arop, Sedjati, and Hoppel and a couple of the other Kenyans are still 2 full seconds off the world record.
Road to Paris just updated their rankings. Hobbs is the #8 qualifying time entering the Olympics in the 800 (Hoppel is #4, Miller is #9). He is #20 in the 1,500 (Nuguse is #2, Hocker is #10). The 1,500 is definitely the much deeper event.
Plus a 1-second difference in the 800m is almost like a 2-second difference in the 1500m. Looking at how many athletes in 2023 were within 2 seconds of the 800m world record and 3.75 seconds of the 1500m world record (same relative difference), there were 11 in the 1500 and 2 in the 800 (and those two were both about 1.9 seconds from Rudisha’s time). 1500 is both top heavier and much deeper.
Plus a 1-second difference in the 800m is almost like a 2-second difference in the 1500m. Looking at how many athletes in 2023 were within 2 seconds of the 800m world record and 3.75 seconds of the 1500m world record (same relative difference), there were 11 in the 1500 and 2 in the 800 (and those two were both about 1.9 seconds from Rudisha’s time). 1500 is both top heavier and much deeper.
See comment on superspikes effect. Very well might be .5-.75 in the 1500 and seems to be marginal/nothing in the 800.
